The $2 Trillion Receipt: FY2026 Closes, Oct 6
Show notes
What the episode covers
In Week 41 of 2026, Red Flag checks the Republican promise of fiscal responsibility against the books for fiscal year 2026, which just closed.
Rachel reads the ledger and Jordyn asks what it means for regular people. They cover a deficit of about $2 trillion, record net interest of roughly $1.1 trillion, and national debt that passed $40 trillion in August. They also look at why revenue rose in dollars but fell as a share of the economy, and how Supreme Court-ordered tariff refunds turned one month, July, into a net outflow.
- The deficit, interest and debt numbers, with sources and caveats
- Why tariff refunds flipped a promised revenue stream
- The $41.1 trillion debt limit and when Congress may have to deal with it again
- What the sources do and don't say about mortgage payments
The hosts disagree on two points: whether spending or revenue is the bigger problem, and how much blame belongs to Congress as a whole versus the party that promised restraint. Rachel gives a final grade.
If the party said it would be careful with money, what exactly are we still defending?
Timeline
In this episode
12 moments worth skipping to. The timecodes match the player above.
- 0:15Introduction
- 1:33The Bottom Line: About $2 Trillion
- 3:23Line Item: Record Interest
- 5:11Line Item: Revenue Didn't Save Us
- 6:59The Debt Hits $40 Trillion
- 8:36Tariff Refunds: The Revenue Stream That Flipped
- 10:08Turn: July's Net Outflow
- 11:59The $41.1 Trillion Ceiling
- 13:49The Countdown
- 15:36What It Means for a Mortgage
- 17:07Receipt Check Grade
- 18:32Outro
Quick answers
Straight from the episode
The questions this one settles, without the listen.
- How big was the FY2026 federal deficit?
- The episode cites a CRFB estimate from around Oct 1 that FY2026 closed with a deficit of about $2 trillion. Final Treasury figures may differ. National debt is above $40 trillion.
- How much is the U.S. paying in net interest on the debt?
- Per CRFB, net interest hit a record of about $1.1 trillion, or 3.4% of GDP. That is $125 billion above last year and more than triple the roughly $350 billion a year paid from 2018 to 2021.
- When did the national debt pass $40 trillion?
- Per AP via PBS NewsHour, the debt passed $40 trillion on Aug. 19, 2026. That came five months after it passed $39 trillion in March.
- Did tariffs raise more revenue in FY2026?
- No. CRFB estimates tariff collections were flat despite higher rates because of Supreme Court-ordered refunds. CBO's July review says net collections fell sharply from May, when refunds from the February IEEPA ruling began. About $100 billion had been issued by then.
- Did tariff refunds exceed tariff collections in July 2026?
- Yes, for that one month. CBO's July 2026 Monthly Budget Review shows customs refunds of $36 billion against gross collections of $26 billion, a $9 billion net outflow after rounding. The hosts stress this is a single month, not a trend.
- When will the U.S. hit the $41.1 trillion debt limit?
- AP cites the Bipartisan Policy Center's estimate of between late winter and mid-summer 2027. Hokanews relays a secondhand Bloomberg projection of the second half of 2027, flagged as uncertain. The 2025 reconciliation bill set the limit at $41.1 trillion, leaving under $1.1 trillion of headroom, which is ballpark.
Transcript
The full conversation
Every word of the episode, 3,083 of them, in the order they were said.
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RachelPicture a restaurant that tells you loudly for years that it's the careful one with money, then the check arrives.
JordynAnd the check is just a very long scroll.
RachelExactly that.
JordynOh, man, I already feel my wallet flinch.
RachelOkay, so I'm Rachel, this is Jordyn, and this is Red Flag, where we measure the big promise against what actually happened.
JordynFiscal year twenty twenty-six is closed. The books are shut. No more. Just wait for the next quarter.
RachelThe pitch was always the general idea, the adults are in charge of the money, so relax.
JordynAnd I'm sure we'll treat that with total seriousness for almost four seconds.
RachelFair. We did vote for this party, so consider this friendly fire with a calculator.
JordynInside the house and with the receipts out. No ambushes, just arithmetic.
RachelHere's the setup. I read the numbers off the ledger line by line.
JordynAnd I ask the rude question, what does that do to a mortgage payment?
RachelPlus, a countdown to when the debt limit comes back. Wait for it.
JordynHold on. I want the countdown now.
RachelNope. You get the bottom line first.
JordynFine. Enough warm-up. Read me the number.
RachelOkay, so the closing number. CRFB, the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, estimates fiscal year twenty twenty-six ended with a deficit of about two trillion dollars.
JordynTwo trillion in one year?
RachelIn one year, and that's an estimate they put out around October first, so the final Treasury figures could wiggle a bit. Total national debt is already above forty trillion.
JordynWiggle. Sure. A few billion either way. Nobody's losing sleep over the wiggle. Nobody. Now, you'd think somebody somewhere got close to balancing the thing. Did they?
RachelReason ran a piece on October fifth by JD Tuccille, and the argument is blunt: Congress hasn't balanced the budget in twenty-five years.
JordynTwenty-five years? That's my entire adult life, plus a couple of skincare routines I've abandoned.
RachelAnd Tuccille says lawmakers have essentially abdicated their fiscal responsibilities, so there's no end in sight.
JordynHold on. Abdicated. That's a strong word for a magazine that's usually pretty polite about Congress.
RachelIt's a libertarian outlet, Jordan. Polite isn't the house style.
JordynFair, but that's both parties across twenty-five years, and this show is about one party's pitch.
RachelRight, and that's the point. The pitch was a promise to fix it. The closing books say the streak just kept going.
JordynSo a two trillion dollar year isn't a blip. It's the latest line in a very long column.
RachelA long column, and nobody's circled it in red, which is the part that bothers me as a CFO type. A deficit that big with no plan attached is just a number with a shrug.
JordynOkay, so the deficit is the headline. What's hiding under it?
RachelThe part that lands on your kitchen table, the interest line.
JordynOh, now you've got my attention. Okay, so I'm reading the next line on the sheet, and it's the one with the biggest glow up, net interest. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, CRFB, estimates it at a record about one point one trillion dollars.
RachelTrillion with a T.
JordynWith a T. That works out to three point four percent of GDP, and CRFB says it's a hundred and twenty-five billion dollars more last year.
RachelHold on. One hundred and twenty-five billion more in one year for the privilege of already owing money? Loyalty program for lenders. Nobody asked for it.
JordynOkay, but a big number alone doesn't tell me much. Is that high or is that just a big country?
RachelFair. So the same CRFB estimate gives the comparison. From two thousand and eighteen to two thousand and twenty-one, the government paid roughly three hundred and fifty billion dollars a year in interest.
JordynAnd now?
RachelMore than triple that.
JordynShut up.
RachelTriple. Same country, same Treasury, and a bill that went from a sedan payment to a luxury lease.
JordynRight. And that's what I care about. That money doesn't build a bridge or fund a single thing you can point at. It's just the cost of having borrowed.
RachelZero services, pure rent on old spending.
JordynAnd rent doesn't negotiate. It just sits there on the sheet.
RachelWhich is why I read it as a line item, not a talking point. It's a cost of past borrowing that shows up every single year.
JordynSo the party of fiscal responsibility is a very generous landlord's favorite tenant.
RachelHa. And the pitch always came with a second half, remember? Borrow less now because eventually the bill would be covered by growth and receipts, which brings up the obvious thing. So we're paying more to borrow. Did revenue at least rise to cover it? Okay, putting my CFO hat on, CRFB says revenue rose about a hundred and sixty billion dollars.
JordynOh, so we're fine?
RachelHang on. As a share of the economy, revenue fell.
JordynWait, up and down at the same time?
RachelUp in dollars, down against GDP. Good headline, weak ratio. The economy grew faster than the checks did.
JordynThat's a bakery announcing record sales while the rent doubled.
RachelOkay, that's better than my version. And corporate tax revenue came in lower too.
JordynLower? In a year, the party sold as pro-business.
RachelAnd that's the line I'd circle because corporate receipts are the part of revenue that's supposed to track a confident business sector. I'm not saying one number proves a story. I'm saying it doesn't help the pitch.
JordynSo revenue is up in dollars, the share is down, and the corporate piece is soft. That's not a trend line you frame and hang in the lobby.
RachelCRFB's estimate, so final Treasury numbers could shift a bit.
JordynMm, but Rachel, I'm gonna be annoying here. Everybody wants to argue about revenue, and I don't think revenue is the problem.
RachelSay more.
JordynIf you spend like this, no tax rate rescues you. You can keep chasing the check, or you can ask why the bill keeps growing. Government that does less needs less.
RachelOkay, but a CFO still wants both columns to behave. You can't wave away a ratio that's sliding.
JordynSure, fix both. I just notice only one column ever gets the speech.
RachelThen here's my CFO version of the speech. A ratio that slides while the spending line climbs is two problems wearing one coat.
JordynTwo problems, one coat. Finally, a metaphor I'd wear.
RachelOkay, so get this. The Associated Press, a piece PBS NewsHour carried, says the national debt passed forty trillion on August nineteenth.
JordynForty.
RachelWith a T. And the same report says it passed thirty-nine trillion back in March. Five months, Jordyn. One trillion dollars in five months.
JordynHold on. Five months? I have skincare serums that took longer to expire.
RachelAnd it gets better. Think about what a trillion is. People used to treat it as a milestone you hit once a decade and throw a little party. Now, it's a seasonal subscription.
JordynA subscription nobody remembers signing up for.
RachelRight. And the report just lists it like mile markers. Passed thirty-nine in March, passed forty in August. Two mile markers, one report, no apples and oranges. That's what I like about it as a numbers person. Both dates come from the same place.
JordynOkay, but think about the scale. If the pile grows that fast, somebody's keeping score, right? Who's even watching the calendar?
RachelApparently not many people. For now, just sit with the calendar. March to August. That's not even a full school semester.
JordynDude.
RachelAnd nobody held a press conference. No banner, no balloons.
JordynFrankly, a banner would've been more honest than the silence. Congratulations, we've added another one.
RachelCake that says forty trillion and the candle's on fire.
JordynStop. Okay, so the pile is the scoreboard, the deficit is the pace, and the interest is the bill.
RachelThree lines, one very bad month-to-month trend. Okay, tariffs. Rates went up. You'd expect the collections line to shoot up with them.
JordynAnd?
RachelThe CRFB's estimate says tariff collections for the year were flat. Flat, despite the higher rates.
JordynFlat? Wait, how do you raise the price of the toll and collect the same money?
RachelBecause the Supreme Court ordered refunds. The money came in the front door and went right back out the side.
JordynSo it's a very expensive hand wave.
RachelAnd the timing matters, Jordyn. The CBO's monthly budget review for July says net tariff collections fell sharply from May.
JordynWhy May?
RachelThat's when refunds from the February Supreme Court ruling on the IEEPA tariffs started going out. Three months between the ruling and the first checks.
JordynHmm. Okay, so how big are we talking?
RachelCBO says about a hundred billion dollars in IEEPA refunds had been issued by then.
JordynA hundred billion, just in the early rounds.
RachelJust in the early rounds.
JordynDude, think about who's holding that receipt. Importers paid a tax, the court said the tax wasn't legal, and now the Treasury is the one writing checks. Nobody sold that as the plan.
RachelNot once. The pitch was foreign countries pay. The books say the Treasury pays back.
JordynSo flat for the year is actually the good news version. Some months must look way worse.
RachelOne month in particular, customs refunds outran customs collections.
JordynOutran them? As in the line went negative?
RachelWait for it. July, one month. The Congressional Budget Office's monthly budget review for July says customs refunds were thirty-six billion dollars.
JordynRefunds going out.
RachelAnd gross collections coming in? Twenty-six billion.
JordynWait, hold on. Refunds were bigger than collections?
RachelTen billion bigger on paper. CBO's own bottom line for the month is a net outflow of nine billion dollars. Yes, the rounding is theirs, not mine, and I'm not touching it.
JordynOkay, I was about to grab a calculator.
RachelPut it down. The point is the direction. Tariffs were the line item we were told would pay for things, and for July, it ran backwards.
JordynSo the hero revenue stream spent a month as a withdrawal.
RachelA withdrawal from the Treasury. Receipt check, plain as it gets. The promise said money flows in, and the books show money flowing out.
JordynSomebody check the couch cushions.
RachelAnd honestly, this is why I wanted to read you the actual lines instead of a summary. Refunds on one side, collections on the other, and the gap between them is the story.
JordynRight. The headline version just says tariffs, and the ledger version says which direction the money went.
RachelAnd I wanna be careful here. That's July, one month. I'm not saying every month looked like this.
JordynNo, but it's the month where the sign flipped, like when your skincare subscription refunds you more than you ever paid, and you think, "Okay, what did I miss?"
RachelExcept nobody's sending the Treasury a free serum.
JordynRight. So with the books open like this, Rachel, here's what I keep wondering. We've got a record pile of debt and a month where the tariff cash went negative. How much borrowing room is actually left under the cap?
RachelOkay, so the cap The 2025 reconciliation bill set the debt limit at $41.1 trillion. That's the number on the garage door.
JordynWait, garage door? Explain the garage.
RachelWhatever you park in there has to fit. Debt is the car. We just checked the odometer on the car, and it's pretty close to the doorframe.
JordynOkay, I hate that I followed that. So how close?
RachelHoka News, a secondary outlet, has a piece out this month saying Congress raised the ceiling from 36.104 trillion to 41.104 trillion on July 4th, 2025.
JordynHuh, holiday vote.
RachelFireworks and a $5 trillion bump. And Hoka News says less than 1.1 trillion of headroom remains.
JordynHmm, that's a lot of caveats in one sentence, though. Secondary outlet, no exact date for the room left.
RachelFair. Treat it as a ballpark, not a Treasury statement. It's one more number for the pile, next to the record interest and the tariff refund month.
JordynOkay, but why does a ballpark matter here? Because two sources are about to give us two different timelines.
RachelExactly. One headroom figure from a secondary outlet, one limit from the 2025 bill, and then estimates on top. Each layer gets a little softer, so I'll tell you which layer is which as we go.
JordynOkay, so what does headroom actually mean? Is that like a credit card limit where you're one big purchase from the edge?
RachelKind of. A limit set in law and a pile that's already close to it. That's all the headroom number tells you.
JordynSo we know how big the gap is, but not how fast it closes.
RachelRight. The headroom only tells you the size of the gap. It doesn't tell you the date.
JordynSo when does it come back?
RachelLate winter to midsummer 2027. AP cites the Bipartisan Policy Center, and the center's estimate is that the limit will be reached between late winter and midsummer 2027.
JordynLate winter. That's like a few months after the next round of holiday returns.
RachelGive or take. And that's a window, Jordan, not a date.
JordynWhy a window?
RachelBecause it depends on how fast Treasury borrows. Spend faster, the window slides earlier. Spend slower, later.
JordynMm, so nobody is pinning it to a Tuesday.
RachelNope. Now, a second estimate cuts the other way. Hoka News, which is a secondary outlet, mentions a Bloomberg projection that Treasury could run out of borrowing room in the second half of 2027.
JordynWait, Bloomberg said that directly?
RachelNo, and that's why I'm waving a flag here. Hoka News says it came relayed through a Coin Bureau post on X. That's secondhand at best.
JordynA game of telephone with a spreadsheet in the middle.
RachelExactly. And it hinges on borrowing pace and cash, same as the other. So treat it as a maybe.
JordynFine, but look at the two together. Even the later guess lands in 2027.
RachelRight. So both threads close. The books don't match the pitch, and the limit comes back in 2027.
JordynSo the honest countdown is a window with a big asterisk on the far end.
RachelA window with an asterisk. I'd rather give you that than a date that sounds precise and isn't. And now that the ledger and the clock are both on the table, Jordyn, go ahead and ask the household question you've been itching to ask. Ah.
JordynOkay, fine. You're handing me the mic. Record interest on the debt. Does that show up in my mortgage payment? Like, am I paying for it at the closing table?
RachelShort answer, our sources don't say.
JordynSeriously? Nothing?
RachelNothing. The interest numbers are solid, about 1.1 trillion, 3.4% of GDP, more than triple the 2018 to 2021 level. But nobody in the pile puts a mortgage rate number on it, so I'm not inventing a monthly payment for you.
JordynRude. I wanted a number.
RachelYou can have a direction. A government spending that much on interest has less room to spend on anything else. How that travels to a home loan, I can't tell you from these books.
JordynSo the honest answer is a shrug with a spreadsheet attached.
RachelA well-sourced shrug. I'd rather admit the gap than fill it with a number I made up because you'd quote it back to me.
JordynFine, but then who gets the blame? Because Congress has done this for decades, Republicans and Democrats both.
RachelSure, except one party ran on restraint.
JordynAh, so the promise is the problem.
RachelThe promise is the receipt. Nobody expected the other side to balance anything, and everybody spent on credit. Only one side printed the slogan.
JordynHmm. I'd still put most of it on Congress as a whole. The slogan is just the marketing.
RachelAnd I'll keep both columns open. You can blame the building. I'll blame the building and the people who campaigned on fixing it.
JordynOkay, fair. We've got every line on the ledger now.
RachelWhich means we've stalled long enough. Time to grade it. Okay, grading time, and I'm not grading on a curve. Look at the closed books. A deficit around 2 trillion, record interest, debt past 40 trillion.
JordynOoh, a letter?
RachelF. Not a D-minus, not an incomplete. The pitch was balance, and the books show the opposite.
JordynHold on. No extra credit for the revenue bump?
RachelExtra credit doesn't help when you skipped the main assignment.
JordynOkay, but is F too harsh? Some of that is Congress being Congress.
RachelI hear you, and we split that argument already. But the grade is for the pitch, and the pitch was balance. The books show the opposite, so the grade stands.
JordynFair. And since we're confessing, I came into this episode hoping for a kinder number. The books had other plans.
RachelStill waiting for a kinder number myself.
JordynBut seriously, Rachel, that's what sticks with me. If you can't point to one line in these books that says restraint, what exactly is the voter holding?
RachelA slogan with a very nice font.
JordynRight. So what are we still defending? Because if the answer is the promise, there's no receipt for it. If the answer is the party, somebody should say what it's done lately.
RachelAnd that's the question I'd want every voter to ask out loud on the doorstep with the spreadsheet in hand.
JordynOkay, that's the receipt. Now, how do we sign off?
RachelCarefully. We've got one admission to make first. Quick verdict, since the grade already went out. The receipt says one thing, and the pitch said another.
JordynFine. Friendly fire time. I owe the other side something, and it hurts.
RachelOh, this is going to be good.
JordynThe deficit problem is bipartisan. Reason said Congress hasn't balanced the budget in 25 years, and that's not a one-party streak. I hate typing that sentence.
RachelYou hate typing it?
JordynI hate that it's true. I'll live.
RachelAdmitting that on air is how we stay honest. It's the whole show, really. Say where the books land, even when it stings.
JordynEven when it stings, and especially when it's our own side holding the pen.
RachelOkay, sign off. If you've got a friend who's been biting their tongue at Thanksgiving, send them this episode. Give them a head start on the gravy and the ledger.
JordynAnd subscribe so the next receipt finds you.
RachelLeave a rating too. It's free. See you next week.
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Sources
Where this came from
5 reports behind the episode. Every one of them opens where it was published.
- U.S. Ran a $2 Trillion Deficit Last Year, We Estimate (CRFB, 2026-10-01)crfb.org
- Monthly Budget Review: July 2026 (CBO)cbo.gov
- The U.S. national debt now stands at $40 trillion (AP/PBS NewsHour)pbs.org
- US Debt Nears $41.1 Trillion Legal Limit as Borrowing Headroom Narrows (Hokanews)hokanews.com
- The federal government ran up a $2 trillion deficit in 2026reason.com
