Complementary

Recent episodes

1. 83: Onboarding to a new design project from Complementary

   Jul 19, 202646 min

   Anthony and Katie discuss starting new roles and the process of getting up to speed with visual design styles you may not yet be familiar with. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Design Systems Designer: ⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman⁠

2. 82: Config 2026 from Complementary

   Jul 2, 202656 min

   Talks discussed: Out of sync, on purpose: desktop design after mobile won The canvas is not dead ft. Catt Small (Dropbox) The invisible mechanisms in your interfaces ft. Johannes Mutter (mutter.co) Dense by design ft. Matthew Ström-Awn (mu.design) Usernames on Instagram: how a craft fix became an identity crisis Everyone's still eating: building Notion's design system Anthony's blog post: https://anthonyhobday.com/blog/20230428 Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

3. 81: The Layers model of product design with Jamie Mill from Complementary

   Jun 14, 202658 min

   Anthony and Katie chat with returning guest Jamie Mill about this elements of product design diagram and how he's transferred that concept into an AI agent skill. Check out Jamie's first episode with us, episode 53, for more context on the concepts discussed today. Jamie's elements of product design: https://jamiemill.com/blog/2021-07-10-elements-of-product-design/ Layer's skill: https://layers.jamiemill.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman⁠

4. 80: The state of AI for visual design from Complementary

   May 31, 202641 min

   Anthony and Katie analyze two versions of an AI generated issue tracking interface. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman⁠

5. 79: Text editing with Michael Aufreiter from Complementary

   May 10, 202650 min

   Katie and Anthony are joined by Michael Aufreiter, an expert in all things text editing. It turns out that text editing is quite a complex interaction, enough so that we could have gone on another hour discussing it. Check out Michael's work: https://svedit.dev https://editable.website Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman⁠

6. 78: The career episode from Complementary

   Apr 19, 202637 min

   After years of intentionally not discussing career advice, today's the day. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman⁠

7. 77: Making an interface feel premium from Complementary

   Apr 5, 202639 min

   Anthony and Katie discuss some interface quality of life improvements. You'll have to go find Anthony's blog post on the topic yourself. We believe in you. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman⁠

8. 76: Visual design with Laura Sinisterra from Complementary

   Mar 1, 202648 min

   Anthony and Katie are joined by designer Laura Sinisterra, a visual designer with a unique mathematical, geometric style. We chat about her visual style, how she might define it and what inspired it. Check out Laura's website: https://laurasinisterra.com/ Follow on X: https://x.com/Lauracsc_ Links mentioned: https://www.are.na/ https://x.com/visakanv Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman⁠

9. 75: The AI rant episode from Complementary

   Feb 15, 202645 min

   Anthony and Katie allow themselves a cheeky little rant about the topic on everyone's mind, AI. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman⁠

10. 74: How many icons is too many from Complementary

    Jan 25, 202644 min

    Anthony and Katie discuss Nikita Prokopov's "It's hard to justify Tahoe icons". Article link: ⁠https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman⁠

11. 73: Desktop UX from Complementary

    Jan 11, 202652 min

    Anthony and Katie discuss Scott Jenson's talk titled "Are we stuck with the same desktop UX forever" Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fZTOjd_bOQ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman⁠

12. 72: Famous design phrases from Complementary

    Dec 21, 202559 min

    Anthony and Katie each bring some famous design phrases to discuss. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

13. 71: The materials interfaces are made of from Complementary

    Dec 7, 202549 min

    Sometimes interfaces mimic physical materials like paper or metal. Anthony and Katie discuss why this might be, what kinds of materials seem most common and how this has shifted over time. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

14. 70: Things that are easy vs. hard to design from Complementary

    Nov 23, 202548 min

    Anthony and Katie compare things that feel easy to design vs. hard. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

15. 69: Practical Uses of AI for Designers from Complementary

    Nov 9, 202549 min

    Anthony and Katie share ways to use AI in your design practice that don't involve code or generative images. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

16. 68: Interface Design Assets (typefaces, imagery, icons) from Complementary

    Oct 26, 202553 min

    Anthony and Katie share some of their favorite design assets. Links mentioned: https://blush.design/ https://nucleoapp.com/ https://tabler.io/icons https://feathericons.com/ https://thenounproject.com/ https://www.streamlinehq.com/ https://klim.co.nz/ https://wakamaifondue.com/ https://simplebits.shop/collections/fonts https://open-props.style/ https://fontawesome.com/ https://phosphoricons.com/ https://connary.com/fonts/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

17. 67: Vector vs. Code Based Design Tooling with Andreas Møller from Complementary

    Oct 12, 20251 hr 5 min

    Anthony and Katie are joined by Andreas Møller, co-founder of Nordcraft. Nordcraft aims to bring design and development closer together, and as you can imagine Andreas has a unique perspective on design tools. What happens to "hand-off" when designers can get their ideas 90% there? Find Andreas on Bluesky Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

18. 66: Interface Design Then & Now with Microsoft's First Interface Designer Virginia Howlett from Complementary

    Sep 28, 20251 hr 15 min

    Anthony and Katie are joined by Virginia Howlett, author of Visual Interface Design for Windows and one of the first interface designers at Microsoft. Virginia is also an artist, and her paintings can be found on her website https://www.virginiahowlett.com/ . We discuss what it was like being a designer 30 years ago (spoiler: some things haven't changed!), the connection between graphic design and interface design, and what it was like pioneering design decisions that we take for granted today. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

19. 65: Listener Q&A from Complementary

    Aug 31, 20251 hr 12 min

    Anthony and Katie answer a few listener questions. Questions asked: https://x.com/hobdaydesign/status/1961014039368110395 Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

20. 64: Big vs Small Software from Complementary

    Aug 17, 202547 min

    Anthony and Katie attempt to define big vs. small software, and then compare the two. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman