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2024: Ranked #1 Law Podcast Host: Tyler Owen and Clint McNear discussing topics, issues, and stories within the law enforcement community. TMPA is the voice of Texas Law Enforcement, focused on protecting those who serve. Since 1950, we have been defending the rights and interests of Texas Peace Officers by providing the best legal assistance in the country, effective lobbying at state and local levels, affordable training, and exemplary member support. As the largest law enforcement association in Texas, TMPA is proud to represent 33,000 local, county and state law enforcement officers.
#136- "More Than a Conference: Training, Family & Fellowship"
Send us Fan Mail The TMPA Conference is changing—and we’re not being subtle about it. In this episode of the Blue Grit Podcast, TMPA Vice President Tyler Pride and Training Coordinator Jay McClellan break down the major changes coming to the 2026 TMPA/TXFOP Joint Conference in Dallas, July 24–26. If you have ever attended a law enforcement conference that felt rushed, awkward, or divided between too many competing priorities, this episode explains the exact fixes being made—and why. First, we cover the experience upgrades. Cop Karaoke is back, Casino Night has been redesigned to give attendees more time to mingle, and the live auction is moving to immediately after Sunday’s banquet so the weekend flows naturally without cutting the fun short. At the heart of every change is one goal: building relationships. First-time attendees should feel welcomed from the moment they arrive, while longtime members should leave with stronger connections across Texas regions, agencies, and roles. We also preview eight hours of TCOLE-certified training, including a powerful human trafficking session led by a Texas expert alongside a survivor’s testimony. Attendees will also hear the State of the Association, receive a legislative outlook, and have opportunities to ask questions directly. The conversation also explores artificial intelligence in law enforcement, including data protection, responsible investigative use, and labor-side safeguards such as due process and proper notification—ensuring new technology does not become a shortcut to discipline. For those bringing family, the conference will feature spouse events, including Purse Bingo, a new spouse social hour, and Painting With a Twist. This is more than a conference. It is becoming a true family reunion for the Texas law enforcement community—filled with valuable training, meaningful networking, fellowship, and plenty of fun. Support the show email us at- bluegrit@tmpa.org
#135- "Shot Four Times, Then Forced to Fight Workers’ Comp" with Jaclyn Skinner
Send us Fan Mail In this episode of the Blue Grit Podcast, we sit down with Wood County Sgt. Jaclyn Skinner, whose life changed the moment she walked into a cluttered house to serve a warrant. Inside, she spotted a familiar tattoo through a partially open shower curtain. Then gunfire erupted. Sgt. Skinner was shot four times. In the middle of the chaos, she fought to survive and helped get her partner out alive. But the shooting was only the beginning. What came next was a brutal recovery, delayed treatment approvals, denied equipment, and a Texas workers’ compensation system that forced an injured officer to fight for the care she clearly needed. Joining this episode are John Wilkerson and Bryan Flatt from the Texas FOP and TMPA legislative team. Together, they break down why the system continues to fail injured first responders, how utilization reviews and contested case hearings can delay care, and why officers often cannot simply use their regular health insurance when workers’ comp stalls. They also explain the legislative fight to fix the system, including how a widely supported reform can pass the House and still die in the Senate. This conversation goes beyond one shooting. It exposes the physical, mental, and financial toll injured officers face after the headlines fade. We discuss PTSD, peer support, rural agency staffing, confidentiality concerns, and why fear of being labeled can keep officers from getting help. The message is simple: Getting shot should not be followed by getting denied. Injured officers should not have to battle the system after surviving the streets. And every officer who believes, “If I get hurt, they’ll take care of me,” needs to hear this episode. Hit play now. Subscribe, share this with a coworker, and help make sure injured officers are never left to fight alone. Support the show email us at- bluegrit@tmpa.org
#134- "Social Media Mobs: What to Do" with Amanda Bolin, Anthony Rogers, and Leighton Guarnere
Send us Fan Mail In this episode of the Blue Grit Podcast , we take on a growing problem in law enforcement: how quickly social media mobs form before the facts are known. Recent incidents in Galveston and Arp show exactly how dangerous that can be. In Galveston, an officer-involved shooting was quickly met with online outrage, but the facts matter. The suspect, Randy Martin, was recently released from prison after being convicted of murder. He was not pulled from the vehicle. He got out on his own, fought the officer, caused injuries, and grabbed the officer’s weapon during the encounter. Aid was immediately rendered at the scene. In Arp, an officer investigating smoke and flames inside city limits was aggressively approached by dogs that came through a fence line. The landowner later admitted, “Everyone knows my dogs bite.” Instead of accountability, the officer, department, and chief became targets of online attacks and threats. Joining this episode are TMPA Executive Director Kevin Lawrence, Field Representative Leighton Guarnere, Regional Attorney Amanda Bolin, and Galveston Municipal Police Association President Anthony Rogers . Together, they break down how false narratives spread, how officers become targets before investigations are complete, and why associations must respond quickly, aggressively, and factually when members are under attack. The message is simple: Let the evidence come out. Let the investigation happen. Let the facts lead. But stop allowing social media mobs to convict officers for doing their jobs. Support the show email us at- bluegrit@tmpa.org
#133- "A Tyrant Falls and Officers Rise" with Leighton Guarnere
Send us Fan Mail In this episode of the Blue Grit Podcast , TMPA Field Representative Leighton joins the show to break down two major developments for Texas law enforcement. First, Leighton discusses the recent victory in Texas City , where Mayor Dedrick Johnson lost his election, opening a long-awaited glimmer of hope for TMPA members and officers in that city. Leighton explains how Texas City officers reached this point, the challenges they have faced under hostile city leadership, and what this change could mean for the future of the department, the association, and the men and women who serve that community. Leighton also highlights a major win in Morgan’s Point, Texas , where the community rallied behind its police department and helped secure collective bargaining through a successful referendum. He explains the process, the work that went into earning public support, and how collective bargaining strengthens officers’ rights, working conditions, and long-term protections. This episode is a powerful look at what happens when officers stand united, communities show up, and TMPA helps lead the fight. Support the show email us at- bluegrit@tmpa.org
#132- "When Family Falls and Duty Calls" with TXDPS Director Gabe Ortiz
Send us Fan Mail From the battlefield… to the jail floor… to the front seat of a Texas DPS patrol unit — this is a story built on grit, sacrifice, and purpose. In this powerful episode, Texas DPS Regional Director Gabriel L. Ortiz sits down with Blue Grit to break down his remarkable 25-year journey in law enforcement. From his early days serving in the U.S. Air Force Security Forces, to working inside a county jail, to earning his badge as a Texas State Trooper, Director Ortiz has seen every level of the profession. He takes listeners inside his rise through the ranks — from Trooper to Special Agent, Lieutenant, Captain, and Major — as he leads complex investigations targeting gangs, narcotics, human trafficking, and violent crime across Texas. But this episode goes deeper than the badge. Director Ortiz opens up about a deeply personal chapter — his brother choosing a different path in life… one that ultimately ended in tragedy after being murdered by a rival gang. It’s a raw and powerful reminder of the realities law enforcement faces — not just professionally, but personally. (Check out this other powerful podcast about this story- https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-brothers-ortiz/id1858078657) This is more than a career story. It’s about leadership, loss, resilience, and the unwavering commitment to serve. You don’t want to miss this one. Support the show email us at- bluegrit@tmpa.org
#131- "Court of Inquiry" with Doug O'Connell
Send us Fan Mail Backroom deals. Evidence battles. A DA’s office under fire. We break down how to register for the TMPA/Texas FOP Conference and why full access puts you where the real influence happens. Mitch Landry delivers a Legislative update—because the fight at the Capitol is happening NOW. Clint McNear also jumps in, breaking down what to expect at the TMPA/TXFOP Conference and why you need to be there. But the core of this episode hits hard with Regional Attorney Doug O’Connell. Allegations against José Garza and the Travis County District Attorney’s Office raise serious questions: • Secret negotiations • Withheld evidence • Violations tied to the Brady Doctrine and the Michael Morton Act A motion to dismiss. A court of inquiry. This isn’t just Austin—this is about trust in the system. 🎧 Subscribe. Share it. Stay informed. Link for Conference here- https://tmpa.org/tmpa/annualconference Support the show email us at- bluegrit@tmpa.org
#130- "A Pfeil Good Judge" with Larry Pfeil
Send us Fan Mail On this episode of the Blue Grit Podcast, Host Tyler Owen and TMPA Field Representative Robby Campbell sit down with Polk County Judge candidate Larry Pfeil—not a courtroom judge, but the role that serves as the County’s chief executive. In this raw and unfiltered conversation, Pfeil breaks down his vision for restoring leadership, prioritizing public safety, and driving real economic growth in Polk County. From supporting law enforcement to making decisions that impact every resident, this race is about who will lead the county forward. This isn’t politics as usual—it’s about taking Polk County back. Support the show email us at- bluegrit@tmpa.org
#129- "Minneapolis: The Story They Won’t Tell"
Send us Fan Mail This week, we’re exposing what’s really happening in Minneapolis. Minnesota FOP Spokesperson Kevin Rofidal joins Force Science’s Brian Baxter and Von Kliem for a hard-hitting breakdown of post-2020 policing—what changed, what didn’t, and what the public still gets wrong. We dig into burned precincts, shattered morale, and neighborhoods left without a true police presence. Then we move into the reality of split-second decisions: distorted body-cam angles, “apparent threat” in the eyes of the law, de-escalation mandates that don’t match real human performance, and the myths surrounding “officer-created jeopardy.” We also pull back the curtain on the latest ICE operations—doxxing maps, non-cooperation, political pressure, and how all of it impacts officer safety and community stability. If you want a straight-from-the-source look at modern policing in Minneapolis, this is the episode. Listen, subscribe, and share with someone who thinks they know the full story. Support the show email us at- bluegrit@tmpa.org
#128- "Murphy's Law" with Lee Hon and Robby Campbell
Send us Fan Mail A rural county’s safety net is only as strong as the deputies willing to hold the line. In Episode 128, we sit down with TMPA Regional Attorney and former Polk County District Attorney Lee Hon alongside TMPA Field Representative Robby Campbell to break down the growing controversy surrounding Polk County leadership and its impact on law enforcement. At the center of the discussion is Polk County Judge Sydney Murphy and the debate over Texas Senate Bill 22 , a bill intended to help rural agencies raise salaries and remain competitive. We examine how Judge Murphy reduced the county-funded pay raise specifically for law enforcement because of SB22 funding, effectively offsetting the purpose of the state assistance. The episode follows the money from courthouse construction costs and elected officials’ pay increases to a grant-funded Public Defender’s Office that could exceed one million dollars annually once state funding sunsets. Meanwhile, the sheriff’s office and jail face retention challenges, staffing shortages, and declining morale. We also touch on the Brady List as another topic impacting officers and accountability. Most importantly, we discuss solutions: transparent multi-year compensation plans, retention incentives, and leadership that honors the true intent of SB22. Public safety is a promise. Episode 128 asks whether that promise is being protected. Support the show email us at- bluegrit@tmpa.org
#127- "When Justice Reverses: The Christopher Taylor Case”
Send us Fan Mail One of Austin’s most watched police cases just took a dramatic turn. After years of indictments, delays, and a deadly-conduct conviction pushed by Travis County DA José Garza, Officer Christopher Taylor has now been fully acquitted on appeal. Attorney Doug O’Connell breaks down how a 2019 shooting—seen inside APD as clearly justified—became a political flashpoint, how docket equalization sent the case to West Texas, and how rare a full reverse and render truly is. We dig into the bigger picture: a DA elected to prosecute officers, a defund-era APD crippled by staffing losses, and a public demanding accountability without understanding split-second force decisions. Doug draws a chilling comparison to Uvalde: If you act, you’re charged. If you hesitate, you’re charged. What does that do to policing? He also opens up about the personal toll and why confidential, stigma-free mental-health support is essential for officers and their attorneys. A must-hear for anyone concerned about policing, justice, or officer wellness. Support the show email us at- bluegrit@tmpa.org
#126- "Training the Voice of Calm" with Dewayne Poorboy
Send us Fan Mail In Episode 126 of the Blue Grit Podcast, we sit down with San Marcos Police Commander Duwayne Poorboy to explore the intense world of crisis negotiation—and what it truly means to become the voice of calm in moments where every second counts. Commander Poorboy walks us through his recent experience at the prestigious Crisis Negotiation Competition & Seminar , an elite training event that brought together nearly 40 teams from across the globe . Recognized as one of the longest-running negotiator training venues in the nation —and one of the largest held each year—this competition pushes negotiators to the limits of communication, patience, and tactical problem-solving. The event’s training seminars deliver both advanced and foundational instruction for professionals operating in the most volatile environments, including: Hostage and crisis negotiators Patrol supervisors Correctional and jail staff Tactical & special operations personnel Crisis response teams Agency administrators & command staff Hosted by Texas State University’s School of Criminal Justice and Criminology , the Hays County Sheriff’s Office , and the San Marcos Police Department , the seminars ensure negotiators receive world-class instruction rooted in proven crisis-response principles. Support the show email us at- bluegrit@tmpa.org
#125- “FORCE SCIENCE: The Truth Behind Split-Second Decisions” Part 2
Send us Fan Mail In Part 2, the @ForceScience team dives even deeper into the science-backed research, training methodology, and mission that set Force Science apart as the national standard for evidence-based law enforcement education. Building on the foundational concepts introduced in Part 1, the instructors break down how their courses reshape the way officers, investigators, leaders, and legal teams understand human performance under stress. Listeners will hear real examples of how Force Science training influences critical-incident investigations, enhances courtroom clarity, and protects both officers and communities through a better understanding of time, distance, decision-making, and behavioral science. The team highlights why agencies across the country rely on Force Science programs—such as the Force Science Certification Course, Realistic De-Escalation Instructor Course, and Advanced Human Factors—to transform policy, improve tactics, and elevate investigative accuracy. They also discuss the importance of continuing education in an era of rapidly evolving expectations and scrutiny. At its core, Force Science empowers professionals with research-driven insights that answer the questions most agencies struggle with: What did the officer perceive? Why did they react the way they did? And how does science help us explain it? Near the end of the episode, the team shares details about their marquee annual event— 📅 Force Science Conference | September 22–24, 2026 | Austin, Texas Held in the heart of Texas, this conference gathers the world’s leading experts in human performance, use-of-force science, investigations, and law enforcement leadership. Additional details can be found on their website: 🔗 https://events.forcescience.com/force-science-conference-2026 Support the show email us at- bluegrit@tmpa.org
#125- “FORCE SCIENCE: The Truth Behind Split-Second Decisions”
Send us Fan Mail In Episode #125, we welcome Brian Baxter and Von Kliem of Force Science —the organization reshaping how America understands human behavior in high-stress, split-second encounters. Their cutting-edge research reveals what really happens when perception narrows, reaction time collapses, and life-or-death decisions unfold faster than the brain can fully process. They break down the myths, the science, and the truth behind use-of-force incidents—and explain why their findings have become essential for investigators, trainers, attorneys, and frontline officers nationwide. If you’ve ever wondered what actually drives an officer’s decision in those critical moments… wait until you hear what Force Science has discovered. Support the show email us at- bluegrit@tmpa.org
#124-"High Speed Chase" with National Police Federal Credit Union
Send us Fan Mail In this episode of the Blue Grit Podcast, we sit down with Jim Bedinger, Division President, and Jorge Mendoza, Vice President of the National Police Federal Credit Union, to talk about how their organization is helping law enforcement officers nationwide keep more of their hard-earned money. As a proud TMPA partner, the National Police Federal Credit Union offers exclusive financial benefits designed specifically for those who serve — including mortgage rates 1% below market value and the incredible High-Speed Auto Loan starting at just 2.99%. Jim and Jorge break down how joining the Credit Union not only saves officers money but also connects them with a community that understands the unique challenges of the profession. From financial security to personalized support, this episode highlights another way TMPA continues to serve those who serve Texas. 🔗 Learn more: www.nationalpolicefcu.com 📧 Contact: Jim Bedinger – jbedinger@nationalpolicefcu.com Jorge Mendoza – jmendoza@nationalpolicefcu.com #BlueGritPodcast #TMPA #NationalPoliceFCU #ServingThoseWhoServeTexas #BlueFamily #FinancialFreedom Support the show email us at- bluegrit@tmpa.org
#123 "Living the Lie: Undercover with the Mafia" with Giovanni Rocco Part 2
Send us Fan Mail In Part 2 of this gripping two-part series, Giovanni Rocco pulls back the curtain on life after the takedown. What happens when the mission ends—but the mask doesn’t come off? This episode explores the personal cost of living undercover: the toll it took on Gio’s mental health, the strain on his marriage, and the distance that grew between him and his children. With raw honesty, Gio shares what it was like to lose himself in the role—and the long road to finding his way back. Today, his mission continues in a new form. No longer infiltrating criminal organizations, Gio now works on the frontlines of mental wellness for law enforcement and first responders, helping others navigate the same darkness he once lived through. It’s a story of redemption, resilience, and redefining what it means to serve. Check out his book here- https://a.co/d/9Oix3EW Inside the Life Podcast- https://insidethelife.org/episodes/ Support the show email us at- bluegrit@tmpa.org
#123 "Living the Lie: Undercover with the Mafia" with Giovanni Rocco
Send us Fan Mail In this gripping episode, former undercover officer Giovanni Rocco takes listeners deep inside one of the most dangerous assignments in modern law enforcement — infiltrating the MOB. For years, Rocco lived a double life, gaining the trust of some of the most ruthless figures in organized crime while secretly working to bring them down. With raw honesty and unfiltered emotion, Giovanni reveals the mental and emotional toll of living undercover, the split-second decisions that could have cost him his life, and the price he and his family paid for justice. His story is not just about deception and danger — it’s about courage, loyalty, and the relentless pursuit of truth. This is more than a story about the mob — it’s the story of a man who walked the line between good and evil… and lived to tell about it. Support the show email us at- bluegrit@tmpa.org
#122- "Special Recipe" with Regional Attorney Marsha Todd
Send us Fan Mail In this inspiring episode of the Blue Grit Podcast , Houston Area Regional Attorney Marsha Todd shares how her remarkable journey from the Houston Police Department to the courtroom shaped her approach to defending Texas law enforcement officers. Marsha reflects on her years serving in Houston Police Narcotics — where she learned firsthand the intensity, integrity, and teamwork it takes to serve on the front lines. Later, she brought that same dedication to the Houston Police Department’s Legal Division , sharpening her expertise in policy, procedure, and officer representation. Those experiences, both on the streets and behind the desk, have made her an outstanding choice for TMPA members across Texas who depend on her skill, grit, and deep understanding of what officers truly face. Listeners will also hear Marsha reveal her personal “recipe for success” in representing officers — a blend of empathy, preparation, and unwavering loyalty that defines her legal philosophy. Joining her in this episode is TMPA Field Representative Robby Campbell , who covers the Southeast Texas region . Robby brings a field perspective to the discussion, sharing how TMPA’s legal and field services work seamlessly together to ensure that every member receives the best representation and support possible. 💙 Tune in for a powerful mix of insight, humor, and heart — as two seasoned professionals remind us that behind every badge defended, there’s a story of service, sacrifice, and unshakable dedication. Support the show email us at- bluegrit@tmpa.org
#121- "Lighting the Way with Special Olympics Texas"
Send us Fan Mail In this inspiring episode, we welcome Sharon Hernandez , Law Enforcement Torch Run Coordinator for Special Olympics Texas , and Katrina Cordova , dedicated SOTX volunteer, to discuss how a partnership built on service and compassion continues to transform lives across the state. Sharon and Katrina share heartfelt stories of the connection between Texas law enforcement and Special Olympics athletes —how each event, from the Torch Run to statewide competitions, represents courage, inclusion, and unity. Together, they reflect on the incredible impact TMPA’s involvement has made—building bridges between officers and communities, inspiring athletes, and empowering families to see what’s truly possible when law enforcement and Special Olympics Texas stand side by side. 💙 A partnership fueled by heart. A mission driven by hope. Support the show email us at- bluegrit@tmpa.org
#120- "Blue Hearts, Strong Futures" with Felicia Barragan
Send us Fan Mail At just 26 years old, Edinburg Police Officer Felicia Barragan has already lived a lifetime of service. A U.S. Army veteran, patrol officer, and self-defense instructor, Barragan is also the founder of the Blue Heart Initiative —a grassroots program designed to connect law enforcement officers with elementary students in her community. In this episode, we dive into Barragan’s journey from soldier to street cop, and how her vision for the Blue Heart Initiative is shaping the next generation’s perception of law enforcement. With a focus on mentorship, trust, and human connection, Barragan is proving that the badge isn’t just about enforcement—it’s about inspiration. Listeners will walk away with a powerful reminder of how young officers can lead change, strengthen communities, and leave a lasting legacy that extends far beyond their uniform. Support the show email us at- bluegrit@tmpa.org
#119- "The Impact of 8%" with TMRS Marin Emma & Shannon Lucero
Send us Fan Mail For the second time, the Texas Municipal Retirement System (TMRS) joins the Blue Grit Podcast to talk about what could be a historic shift for public safety retirement in Texas. Guests Marin Emma and Shannon Lucero from TMRS break down a new bill that, if passed, would raise both the employee contribution and the city match to 8% . The conversation dives into how this proposed change would impact officers across the state, what it means for long-term retirement security, and why it matters to start planning today. This episode gives listeners a clear, straightforward look at what’s on the horizon for TMRS members — and how the decisions made in Austin could shape the future for officers and their families. Support the show email us at- bluegrit@tmpa.org
