Derek: Thanks for watching!
Grant: Welcome back to Vaporware. I'm Derek, that's Grant, and dude, we are back on the AI grift beat.
Speaker 3: We never really left it, if we're honest.
Grant: Fair. Okay, so get this. Remember the Nate app, the shopping bot that was supposedly 93 to 97% automated?
Speaker 3: The one where it was allegedly 0% automated and just guys in an office typing really fast?
Grant: Allegedly, yes. We're reopening that file today because it turns out... out it might not be one weird case.
Speaker 3: Wait, you think this is bigger than one company lying?
Grant: That's the question driving the whole episode: is Nate one-off, or is it Exhibit A in an entire category of fraud?
Speaker 3: Okay, I need receipts for that claim.
Grant: Oh, you're going to get them. We're talking about a viral CEO admission over inflated revenue, a brand new SEC unit built specifically to chase this stuff.
Speaker 3: Hold on, there's a whole task force now?
Grant: There is, and then, get this, we're following the money all the way down to whether AI companies can even charge with things actually cost.
Speaker 3: Oh good, so it's not just fraud, it's fraud on top of a math problem.
Grant: Basically, it's a fun day at the office.
Speaker 3: I've got my spreadsheet brain ready. Let's see if any of this actually adds up.
Grant: Switching gears, back to April 2026, the month everything unraveled at once.
Speaker 3: Alright, let's find out how deep this thing goes.
Grant: Okay, quick refresher before we go anywhere new. Albert Saniger, Nate App-ring a bell?
Speaker 3: The "AI Does Your Checkout For You" app.
Grant: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember.
Grant: Right, so he told investors his app had a ninety three to ninety seven per cent automation rate-basically robots buying your stuff for you, no humans involved.
Speaker 3: And that was a lie.
Grant: Wait for it-the DOJ and SEC alleged the real number was effectively ZERO! Zero per cent.
Speaker 3: Zero? Not lower than claimed-zero?
Grant: Zero-every single purchase done manually by contractors in the Philippines, hundreds of them.
Speaker 3: So there's no AI in the AI shopping app?
Grant: There's a UI And behind the UI A call center. That's the product.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a hell of a gap-ninety three to ninety seven percent versus zero? That's not rounding error, that's a different company.
Grant: And here's the part that gets me every time: Saniger allegedly restricted employee access to the internal dashboard that tracked the real automation numbers.
Speaker 3: Wait back up. His own employees couldn't see it?
Grant: Called it a trade secret.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Grant: Not commercially sensitive-a trade secret, which conveniently means nobody inside the company could hold him accountable either.
Speaker 3: So he wasn't just lying to investors, he was lying to the people building the thing.
Grant: Exactly-and they didn't know they were the punchline.
Speaker 3: Okay, so we've covered Nate before. Why are we back here?
Grant: Because I keep asking myself one question: was this a one off, one guy, one bad app, one very specific lie?
Speaker 3: Or-
Grant: Or is Nate actually the first documented case of something bigger, a whole category of fraud that's about to industrialize?
Speaker 3: You think there's a pattern here-like a repeatable playbook?
Grant: I think humans pretending to be AI is just one flavor, and once you start looking for it...
Speaker 3: You find more flavors.
Grant: Yeah, so what if Nate isn't the scandal? What if Nate is actually the instruction manual?
Speaker 3: All right, now I'm nervous. What are the other flavors?
Grant: Building on that, let's name the genre. There are three flavors of AI fraud, and Nate is just flavor one.
Speaker 3: Okay, lay it out for me.
Grant: Flavor one, humans behind the curtain. That's Nate, a person in a back room clicking buy while the pitch deck says neural network.
Speaker 3: Sure,
Grant: Flavor two, benchmark cherry picking. You rig the test so your model wins, like showing off a car that only drives downhill.
Speaker 3: Technically it drove.
Grant: Exactly, and Flavor three, AI-washed Metrics—you don't lie about the tech, you lie about what the tech is doing for your revenue.
Speaker 3: Wait, how is that different from just lying about revenue? Companies have inflated numbers forever.
Grant: Because AI-driven growth is unfalsifiable in a way that we sold more widgets isn't. Nobody agrees on what counts as AI, so the claim survives longer before anyone can even test it. Test it.
Speaker 3: Ha! so it's fraud with plausible deniability built in.
Grant: That's the mechanism—and it's not just my theory; legal analysts tracking securities class actions say filings over alleged AI misrepresentations roughly doubled between twenty twenty-three and twenty twenty-four.
Speaker 3: Doubled—in one year?
Grant: Roughly. Yeah; same ambiguity scaled across an entire industry.
Speaker 3: So the fuzziness isn't a bug people stumble into.
Grant: It's the exploit.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Grant: Every case this episode gets sorted into one of these three buckets, sometimes all three at once.
Speaker 3: Which is a very organized way of saying everybody's cheating differently.
Grant: I prefer taxonomy. Sounds more respectable in a script.
Speaker 3: Noted. So which bucket are we opening next?
Grant: Bucket three, the AI-washed metrics one, and we've got a case that's basically still warm.
Speaker 3: Warm like recent?
Grant: Recent like the CEO was posting corrections on X a few months ago.
Speaker 3: Ugh! I already don't trust this.
Grant: You shouldn't. A viral ARR claim, a nine figure valuation, and a number that moved by millions depending on who was asking. Now flip that on its head, because Cluely isn't hiding behind humans or benchmarks. This one's a straight-up confession.
Speaker 3: Wait, a confession, like willingly,
Grant: Summer 2025, CEO Roy Lee tells a TechCrunch reporter that ARR doubled in a week to $7 million. That anchors a $15 million Series A from Andreessen Horowitz, company's valued at $120 million.
Speaker 3: Doubled in a week? Nobody at A16Z pulled up the Stripe dashboard on that.
Grant: Apparently not before wiring the check. And then, get this, March 2026, Lee posts on X admitting the real number was around 5.2 million. TechCrunch reported he also misrepresented how that original interview
Derek: What even happened?
Grant: So he lied about the lie—that's a special kind of chaos.
Derek: Right? Roughly a thirty-five percent gap between the headline and reality, according to TechCrunch's reporting on his admission.
Grant: Okay, but here's my actual question: why confess? Nobody was holding a gun to his head.
Derek: Unclear, but it didn't stay isolated. Bloomberg's follow-up reporting reportedly named nine other startups with similar Similar gaps between claimed and verified revenue.
Grant: Nine; so Cluely's just the one who got caught talking.
Derek: Pretty much; and the wild part is, Cluely's actual business wasn't fake; they built a real growth machine; deliberately provocative viral content, an army of clippers pushing it everywhere.
Grant: Wait, wait; so the company works, the growth is real, and he still lied about the number?
Derek: Yeah, that's the part that gets me; he didn't need to invent a company. He invented a decimal point.
Grant: That's almost worse-that's a founder choosing the lie when the truth might have been fine.
Derek: Might have been. We don't know if five point two gets you the same valuation.
Grant: Probably not the same headline, though.
Derek: No, definitely not the same headline, and that's the thing-the mechanics of how he actually inflated that number, the specific tricks.
Grant: Oh, there's tricks-plural?
Derek: Three of them, and none are illegal by themselves.
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Derek: So, for the non finance folks in the audience, let's actually open the hood on how you inflate a ARR without forging a single document.
Grant: Please—I need this in plain English.
Derek: Trick one: annualizing the best single month by multiplying it by twelve. You have one great month, you times it by twelve, and boom, that's your run rate.
Grant: That ignores every bad month you ever had.
Derek: Every one. Trick two: counting pipeline. Deals that are committed but unsigned as if the ink's already dry.
Grant: Wait, so a handshake counts as revenue now?
Derek: Apparently. In trick three, the sneaky one, you get a client to prepay for a full year and you book all 12 months as ARR on day one instead of spreading it out.
Grant: So three tricks, zero fake invoices.
Derek: Zero. ThePlanetToolsai reported that's the exact. Exact combination Roy Lee laid out in his own confession thread. None of it's illegal on its own.
Grant: Which is exactly why it spreads, right? Nobody's breaking a law; they're just optimistic.
Derek: Optimistic accounting. Now here's the part that should worry you. This is one end of the spectrum.
Grant: There's a worse end?
Derek: Oh, way worse. TechCrunch's coverage of a separate AI startup case described investors paying roughly thirty-five times a revenue figure that turned out to be fabricated.
Grant: Thirty-five times a number that wasn't even real?
Derek: Not massaged—invented. That's the criminal end. Cluely leads the gray end.
Grant: So one guy fudges the math and gets a bridge round. Another guy fakes the number outright and gets indicted.
Derek: Exactly the spectrum. And ARR itself isn't a bad metric. The problem is contract definitions leave enough wiggle room that a founder can sh
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Derek: can shape the figure without ever touching a fake invoice.
Grant: So the tool's fine, it's the discretion built into it that's the loaded gun.
Derek: And loaded guns tend to get regulators interested eventually.
Grant: Please tell me somebody's finally aiming at this.
Derek: So shifting to the regulators, turns out the SEC actually built a unit for this exact genre of fraud.
Grant: Wait, an actual dedicated unit, not just like a task force nobody funds?
Derek: The Cyber and Emerging Technologies Unit, launched February 2025, built specifically to go after securities fraud that uses blockchain, AI automation, basically the vehicle, not the crime itself.
Grant: Okay, in their headline cases...
Derek: Nate, same month we opened the... Open the episode with April 2025, SEC and DOJ file parallel charges against Saniger, alleging he fraudulently raised over $42 million on false AI claims.
Grant: 42 million. So this is the flagship case. Like this is the one they point to when they say, see, the unit works.
Derek: Exactly the one. And their fiscal year 2025 results lump it together. AI, crypto, cybersecurity. All filed under emerging technology fraud categories.
Grant: Which honestly makes sense, same play book, different buzz word.
Derek: Right. But here's the uncomfortable part.
Grant: Go on.
Derek: Here's the uncomfortable part. Every one of these-Nate, Presto Automation, the whole growing docket-became public only after the money was already specked or a whistleblower forced it out.
Grant: So the SEC's basically showing up to the house fire with a hose. after the house is a foundation.
Derek: That's not far off.
Grant: I mean the math doesn't work and everyone kind of knows it. You can't enforce your way into catching something before the cash is going. . .
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Grant: Enforcement's a lagging indicator by design.
Derek: It's reactive by nature-the charges are the receipt not the alarm.
Grant: Great system. Really airtight.
Derek: Look, it's something-it's more than we had two years ago.
Grant: Sure, but it means for every Nate that gets caught . . .
Derek: There's probably three more running the exact
Speaker 4: same pattern.
Derek: exact same play right now quietly.
Grant: Comforting.
Derek: And that's just the broadside.
Grant: Hmm.
Derek: There's a whole other layer to this the SEC literally cannot touch.
Grant: Wait, what do you mean cannot touch? Like legally can't or just doesn't?
Derek: Because it's not illegal, it's just the entire economics of AI itself might not add up, even for the honest companies.
Grant: Hold on, you're saying this isn't just a fraud problem anymore?
Derek: Nope. Wait for it, because what's coming next makes Nate look almost quaint. It was quaint. Shifting from enforcement to the bigger number nobody's charging anyone for, there's a stress test making the rounds. SemiAnalysis bought every tier OpenAI and Anthropic sell, ran them into the ground with coding agents, and checked what it cost at straight API rates.
Grant: And?
Derek: The maxed out $200 ChatGPT Pro plan can represent something like $14,000 in compute, Claude's top tier lands near $8,000.
Grant: Wait, fourteen thousand for two hundred dollars?
Derek: That's the ceiling for the heaviest users, sure, but the gap is the point. Every subscription is a bet that you'll get hooked before the company has to charge what it actually costs.
Grant: So it's the AI playbook just with real math instead of fake automation?
Derek: Kind of, yeah. DSHRs blog on AI's affordability crisis calls it the drug dealer's algorithm: subsidize now, addict later. Hope pricing power shows up before the venture money runs out.
Grant: So, and that number keeps growing, right? I remember early estimates of the industry's revenue gap being smaller.
Derek: Analysts have revised the gap upward pretty much every few months. For two years now nobody's landed on a final figure-that's the tell.
Grant: Because if you can't even agree on the size of a hole-!
Derek: You definitely can't agree on who's lying about filling it. That's the connective tissue for this whole episode: Klieg inflated a revenue line, Nate inflated an automation rate, the industry as a whole is inflating a business model.
Grant: Different lines, same bet-look profitable, look smart before the bill lands.
Derek: Exactly-and it works because nobody's agreed on how to measure it. As your AI in the first place; no shared yard stick means no shared definition of fraud (which is a hell of a loophole to build a trillion dollar industry on). When it's new enough that nobody agrees on the ruler, that's exactly when the con gets its cover.
Grant: So watch the subscriptions, watch the ARR slides, and watch what happens the day the free tokens stop being free. That's the whole show, really; the math doesn't work, and everyone with a calculator already knows it.
Derek: Yeah, so that's Nate, and honestly, the trade secret line still gets me, hiding a zero behind a lawyer's phrase.
Grant: Right, and the part that sticks with me isn't the fraud, it's how long nobody asked to see the dashboard.
Derek: Which is kind of the whole episode, vaporware thrives on vague claims because there's no shared way to check them.
Grant: That's the pattern across every deal we've covered: the check comes after the money's already gone.
Derek: So if you take one thing from today, ask for the receipts. Receipts before you're impressed by the pitch.
Grant: Or at least ask if the dashboard's still turned on.
Derek: Fair. All right, if this one got under your skin, send it to a friend who still believes every deck they read.
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Derek: We'll be back next week with another one of these.
Grant: Thanks for hanging out with us.
Derek: See you then.