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LC 42: Grading the Artemis III Briefing

  • Oct 21, 2026
  • 19 min

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What the episode covers

October 21, 2026: A leaked memo reportedly says Artemis III has lost about 90 days. NASA's Friday, Oct. 23 briefing at Kennedy Space Center is the first chance to see whether there is a plan to recover them. Max and Blake set their grading rubrics before it happens.

  • The memo baseline: Artemis III on the pad in summer 2027 at best, up to two 2028 landings, and a conditional single late-2028 attempt, all from secondary reports.
  • Hardware: valves, thrust vector control actuators, the Artemis II Orion helium leak, and the SpaceX and Blue Origin landers ahead of a late-2027 docking demo.
  • The Dec. 11 continuing resolution deadline and what Congress needs on date, cost and fallback.

The hosts disagree on what counts as proof. Max credits named parts and fixes, while Blake says a name is not a schedule. Max predicts no firm lander date; Blake expects one lander to get a named milestone.

Watch for: Friday's briefing, and whether anyone gives a date with an owner, a stated fallback, or says a single landing aloud.

Timeline

In this episode

8 moments worth skipping to. The timecodes match the player above.

  1. 0:15Introduction
  2. 1:37The Memo Baseline
  3. 4:00Test One: Is There a Recovery Plan?
  4. 6:49Max's Engineering Grade: Valves, TVC and Helium
  5. 9:52The Turn: Both Landers and the 2027 Docking Demo
  6. 13:21Blake's Grade: The Pitch Before Dec. 11
  7. 15:34Pass/Fail Criteria and Predictions
  8. 17:55Outro

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The questions this one settles, without the listen.

How far behind is the Artemis III lander schedule according to the reported memo?
Reports describe roughly 90 days of broken schedule. The best case puts Artemis III on the pad in summer 2027 with up to two landings in 2028, and an Artemis-IV-only option is allowed. The hosts stress that the three-month figure is a reported, round number rather than an audited one, and that it comes from secondary reports.
Does NASA have a recovery plan for the Blue Origin lander delay?
The only lever in the memo is NASA helping rebuild Blue Origin's pad and supporting its anomaly investigation, aiming for both landers by mid-2027. The hosts found nothing published showing a lander ready for next year's crew. They said a real plan needs a number, an owner, what changed since the memo, a stated trade-off, and clear ownership of the work.
What engineering issues were mentioned for Artemis, such as valves, TVC actuators and helium?
Isaacman is reported to be pressing suppliers on valves and thrust vector control actuators, though no list of late items was given. The Artemis II Orion helium leak was on the oxidizer side, roughly tenfold over ground predictions, with a valve redesign planned. Whether the redesigned valve flies on Artemis III or IV was left open.
Why does the late-2027 docking demo matter for the lunar landers?
SpaceX and Blue Origin were reportedly told in April to plan a late-2027 docking demo, which leaves little cushion after the mid-2027 readiness goal. An aggregator called the landers the long pole. The hosts asked whether the demo date covers one lander or both and whether it has moved since April.
How does the Dec. 11 continuing resolution relate to the Artemis schedule briefing?
The briefing lands before the Dec. 11 CR deadline, so a vague message hurts more because staffers need one carryable paragraph. Blake graded the pitch on date, cost and fallback: the date needs an owner, the cost needs some shape, and a fallback stated on the record reads as planning. His interim grade is incomplete.
What are the hosts' predictions and pass/fail criteria for the Artemis update?
The scorecard has five lines. Max owns three: a recovery mechanism, both landers ready with a named test article, and engineering parts tied to dates. Blake owns two: an on-record fallback stance, and the Congress date, cost and fallback with owners. Max predicts no firm lander date. Blake predicts one lander gets a named milestone, the Dec. 11 deadline doesn't move, and nobody says single landing aloud. Nothing is graded yet.

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MaxOkay, so get this. Friday morning, three people stand up at Kennedy Space Center, and somewhere there's a leaked memo sitting on a desk just waiting to be compared to every word.

BlakeWaiting with a red pen.

MaxA very red pen. I'm Max, this is Blake, and this is Landing the Moon.

BlakeThe briefing is Friday, October twenty-third. Isaacman, Kshatriya, and the Artemis III program manager, Jeremy Parsons, are briefing the press on Artemis III and the twenty twenty-eight landing plan.

MaxSo we're not reviewing it, we're grading it. Two rubrics.

BlakeYours first.

MaxEngineering, valves, thrust vector control actuators, the Orion helium leak, and the big one, are both test landers going to be ready?

BlakeMine is the Congress pitch. Does this work on a post-midterm Congress with the December 11th CR deadline sitting right there?

MaxOh man, that deadline.

BlakeIt's the clock behind the whole pitch, and we'll get to it. And a question for both of us, is there any plan to win back the three months the memo says were lost?

MaxWait for it, because I also wanna know if anyone whispers about a single landing attempt in late twenty twenty-eight.

BlakeWhispers, right. Because a whisper tells you more than a slide does.

MaxSpoken like a banker.

BlakeSpoken like someone who's read the memo twice.

MaxFine, show off. Then that's where we start. First, the baseline we're grading against, what the memo said. Okay, so get this. The memo lives mostly in secondary reports, and one of them, a post on a local site called Talk of Titusville, says it came from a September twenty email that NASA Watch published.

BlakeWhich means we're grading against a copy of a copy. I'd like that on the record before anyone treats the baseline as gospel.

MaxFair. Noted. And the headline of that post is blunt. Isaacman called the schedule roughly ninety days broken.

BlakeBroken, not slipping, not challenged.

MaxAdministrators usually reach for softer words. Then the best case, according to that same post, is Artemis III on the pad in summer twenty twenty-seven.

BlakeOn the pad, not launched.

MaxRight, and up to two landing attempts in twenty twenty-eight.

BlakeUp two. That phrase is carrying the whole sentence.

MaxIt is. Now, plot twist. There's a second door in the memo. The report says it allows flying only Artemis IV in twenty-eight if that gives the best chance of success.

BlakeWait, skip Artemis III's landing entirely?

MaxThe post doesn't say how. It says the memo allows it. That's all, all claim.

BlakeOkay. Does anyone outside NASA vouch for the email being real?

MaxYes. A syndicated copy of Mashable-sourced coverage on Yahoo says NASA confirmed the email's authenticity.

BlakeGood. That moves it from rumor to something the agency owns.

MaxAnd that same coverage adds the part you've been circling. NASA could be looking at a single landing attempt in late twenty twenty-eight if Artemis III keeps slipping.

BlakeIf it keeps slipping. Conditional. So the memo isn't announcing it.

MaxExactly. It's a trip wire.

BlakeAnd the three months, is that one outlet's number?

MaxFox 35 Orlando ran a piece headlined that Artemis III is three months behind schedule, which lines up with the memo.

BlakeSo the figure shows up in more than one place, though it's still the same leak underneath.

MaxYep. Same leak, different mastheads, playfully. The news cycle loves a photocopier.

BlakeOne caution on the number itself. The memo coverage says roughly ninety days, and the headline says three months. Those are close, but I'd call it a round description rather than a measured count.

MaxFair. Roughly is doing a lot of work there. Round numbers travel well in headlines, which is partly why this one keeps showing up.

BlakeRight. So when we say lost three months, we mean the reported size of the slip, not an audited figure.

MaxHa. Switching gears then. With the memo laid out, the first test is whether Friday's briefing offered any way to win back those three months.

BlakeBecause a plan to recover them would beat any adjective Isaacman picks.

MaxOkay, so the memo has one concrete lever for winning time back, and it's not a schedule. It's a launch pad, Blue Origin's.

BlakeHang on. NASA fixing a competitor's pad?

MaxPer the secondary report on the memo, NASA is helping rebuild Blue Origin's launch pad and supporting its anomaly investigation. The goal is both test landers ready for mid twenty twenty-seven.

BlakeBoth. So the recovery plan is, in effect, a rescue mission.

MaxA very expensive favor, yeah.

BlakeFine, but I wanna know what that buys. A pad repair is a precondition. It isn't a recovered quarter.

MaxWait, that's a fair split. Is a pad repair a recovery plan or just the cost of staying in the game?

BlakeRight, that's my worry. If Friday's briefing says the pad is being rebuilt, that restates the memo. A recovery plan names which days come back and from where.

MaxOkay, but you're being stingy. If they say the lander date's held, that's news.

BlakeThen I'd ask what changed since the memo. Held against what?

MaxOoh, yes.

BlakeAnd there's a piece of context from before the briefing. Eastern Herald on October fourteenth reported that NASA had stacked the Artemis III boosters.

MaxHardware on the stand. Love that.

BlakeBut the same report said nothing NASA had published indicated a lander would be ready for next year's crew.

MaxOh man, so the rocket's stacked and the ride to the surface is a question mark.

BlakeThat's what the report says, and it's one report. I won't stretch it beyond that.

MaxSure, but it gives us the listening list. Does anyone say lander readiness out loud with a date attached?

BlakeDoes anyone say what the Blue Origin help actually unlocks in months?

MaxDoes anyone say whether stacking progress offsets any of those lost days or just looks good on camera?

BlakeThe stacking photographs very well.

MaxIt really does. A rocket is a great backdrop.

BlakeHere's what I'd actually reward though, a trade-off stated plainly. Something like, "This is what we're giving up to get these days back." Recoveries cost something, and a plan that costs nothing is usually a hope.

MaxOkay, that's a rubric I can use. A recovery plan has a price tag, even if it isn't in dollars.

BlakeRight. It could be risk. It could be a compressed test schedule. It could be a handoff between teams. I just wanna hear which one.

MaxAnd I'd add one more. Be clear about whose work is whose. If the speaker blurs the pad repair and the rocket schedule into one happy sentence, I'd mark that down.

BlakeSo I'm not calling it a recovery plan unless it has a number and an owner.

MaxHarsh. I'd give partial credit for a named milestone.

BlakePartial credit for a milestone, fine. A milestone isn't months back, though.

MaxFair. Okay, switching gears, because the stuff I care about is down in the hardware: valves, thrust vector control actuators, and that Orion helium leak.

BlakeGo. I'll hold the red ink for later.

MaxOkay, so get this. The memo coverage has Isaacman at NASA leaders out in the field leaning on suppliers and subcontractors for two things: valves and thrust vector control actuators.

BlakeWhich are?

MaxThrust vector control actuators are the hardware that swivels the engine nozzle, so the rocket steers. No steering, no landing, no anything.

BlakeFine, but which valves? Which actuators? Who's late?

MaxPlot twist, the memo doesn't say. It never lists which items are the ones sitting ninety days behind.

BlakeHold on. I'm reading a website summary of the memo, not the memo. UFO Feed is an aggregation, so I'd hold that even loosely.

MaxFair. Treat it as a pointer. Still, it's the best engineering detail floating around, and it's thin.

BlakeThin is generous.

MaxWow. Okay, now the one that makes me twitch, Orion's helium leak found during Artemis II.

BlakeRemind me where?

MaxTechnology org's April writeup says oxidizer side of the pressurization supply. Helium pushes propellant into the engines, so a leak there matters.

BlakeMatters how much?

MaxIn-flight leak rates ran about an order of magnitude above what ground tests predicted, ten times worse than the models.

BlakeTen times?

MaxAnd that piece is a secondary summary of flight director comments, so same caution. But it says NASA planned a redesign for future missions.

BlakeFuture missions, plural, vague.

MaxYep, and that's my grade sheet. Did the briefing name the actual parts? Did it name the fix? If Parsons says valves and actuators with a fix attached, that's a pass.

BlakeNaming a part isn't the same as showing it's on schedule. I can name every line item on a balance sheet and still be insolvent.

MaxOkay, but naming beats the memo, which names nothing.

BlakeIt beats silence. It doesn't beat a delivery date. Did the supplier say yes, and when does the part show up?

MaxOoh, I want the date too. Dude, I want a date on a valve.

BlakeA date and a sense of scale. If a supplier's late on one actuator, that's one problem, but being late across the board is another. The memo gives us neither, so a briefing that gave either one would be adding real information.

MaxAnd a fix isn't a finish line either. Naming the fix tells me engineering knows what's wrong. It doesn't tell me the part has been built, tested, or installed.

BlakeSo there's a ladder: named, scheduled, delivered. The briefing only has to reach the second rung to beat the memo, and a third rung is what would actually move my grade.

MaxSecond rung is my pass line. Third rung is extra credit, and I'd frame it.

BlakeAnd the redesigned valve, does it go on Artemis 3 or only Artemis 4? Nobody is codis.

MaxRight, and I'm not gonna guess. If the briefing answers that, it's the biggest engineering line of the day.

BlakeAnd if it dodges, that's information too.

MaxWait for it, because the landers are where the real engineering pain lives.

BlakeThe long pole.

MaxNext up, whether both landers will be ready. Okay, so get this. One of the secondary write-ups of the memo, the UFO Feed piece, calls the landers the long pole. That's the tent pole joke, except nobody's laughing.

BlakeLong pole meaning everything else waits on it.

MaxExactly. And that same piece says SpaceX and Blue Origin were told back in April to plan a rendezvous and docking demo by late 2027.

BlakeLate 2027? Hold on. That's after the summer 2027 pad date we've already heard about.

MaxRight. So the landers have their own clock, and it's running on top of the rocket clock.

BlakeAnd it's an aggregation of the NASA Watch memo, one step removed.

MaxFair. Treat the April details aggregator color, not gospel, but it's the only date we've got on the lander side.

BlakeMm, fine by me.

MaxTh- think about what that means for the lander teams, though. A docking demo by late 2027 sits behind the mid-2027 readiness goal from the memo, so there's very little cushion between being ready and having to perform.

BlakeLittle cushion is the polite phrase. It means any slip in the earlier date lands directly on the later one, and the memo coverage doesn't say how much room there is.

MaxNow, we covered the dual option point in the baseline, so I'll be quick. The Talk of Titusville write-up says the best case is two landings, and the Artemis IV only option sat right beside it. Both doors were open before anybody reached a podium.

BlakeMashable-sourced coverage. The Yahoo syndication frames it as pressure on the two-landing plan. That's context, not a new fact.

MaxRight. So the interesting part isn't that the fallback exists. It's what narrowing it would take.

BlakeAnd here's where I think you're being generous. You want the briefing to close one. I'd say a program manager who closes the two landing door in October has just handed critics a headline.

MaxOkay, but keeping both open forever is its own headline.

BlakeOnly if the dates slip again.

MaxWhich, come on, this program.

BlakeI said only if.

MaxWhat would narrowing even sound like to you?

BlakeOne sentence. Which lander flies the docking demo and who certifies it's ready? That alone tells you which door is wider.

MaxMine's more hardware. Tell me both landers have a test article that's passed something, anything, a review, a fit check, a pressure test.

BlakeThat's a lot narrower than mine.

MaxNarrower and checkable Yours is a sentence anyone can say.

BlakeMine can be checked too. Say it, and then watch whether the date moves.

MaxHmm. Okay. That's fair.

BlakeThere's also a sequencing question inside my version. A rendezvous and docking demo needs vehicles that can actually fly, so a stated date for it implies real progress on the hardware. If the briefing gave one, I'd ask whether it covered one lander or both.

MaxAnd I'd ask whether that date held through all of this, if they'd even say. A date that held through all of this is informative. A date that quietly became sometime next year is informative in a different way.

BlakeAnd notice what we can't say yet. We don't know whether both landers make it. We don't know whether the Artemis IV only option stays on the table.

MaxBoth open, both unresolved. I kind of love that professionally. Terrible for the schedule, great for the podcast.

BlakeSpeaking of what an audience hears, there's a different room entirely that has to buy any of this.

MaxCongress.

BlakeCongress. After the midterms, with a December deadline on the calendar. Whatever engineering you liked, does it survive that room?

MaxGo. Floor's yours.

BlakeOkay, so get this. You've read it?

MaxI could not read the page itself, so I'm quoting you zero appropriations figures. Not one.

BlakeThe most disciplined sentence in this episode.

MaxThank you. Now, a Congress that comes back after the midterms is tired and has a deadline. What does it need to hear from a podium in Florida?

BlakeApplause, a flyover.

MaxThree things: a date, a cost, and a fallback.

BlakeGo on.

MaxThe date has to be one somebody owns. Staffers have watched this program slide before, so a hopeful month won't register. They'll ask who signs their name to it.

BlakeFair. And the cost?

MaxWhether the lost three months carries a price. Schedule slips cost money because the workforce keeps getting paid while hardware sits. If the briefing said nothing on that, a member can't tell a colleague what they'd be voting for.

BlakeHold on. Isn't that a little unfair? Nobody gives a full cost at a press briefing.

MaxI'm not asking for a full number. I'm asking for any shape of one, even a statement that cost is unchanged to give staff something to repeat.

BlakeHuh. Okay. And the fallback?

MaxThat's the one I'm watching hardest. If a single landing attempt is the cushion, a Congress that hears about it first from a leaked memo will feel ambushed. Hearing it from Isaacman on the record reads as planning.

BlakeOh, that's nasty. Same fact, opposite politics.

MaxExactly. Silence on the fallback looks like hiding it. Naming it looks like a manager who has a plan B.

BlakeDoes the timing help or hurt? A briefing on Friday, the midterms behind it, and then the December 11th deadline waiting for whoever comes back.

MaxHurt, if it's vague. A deadline concentrates minds, and staffers will be hunting for one paragraph they can carry into a negotiation. Whatever the briefing offered, it either hands them that paragraph or it doesn't, and a stacked rocket on a backdrop doesn't make a paragraph.

BlakeSo what's the grade right now, honestly?

MaxIncomplete. I can't score a pitch I haven't heard, and I won't pretend a stacked rocket answers any of the three.

BlakeIncomplete from the banker. Brutal.

MaxWarm but exacting, Max.

BlakeFine, fine. So Congress gets three boxes to check, and I get a hardware list. Time to write down the pass/fail lines and put our predictions on the record.

MaxPens out. Mine's the red one. Okay, scorecard time. Five lines total, pass or fail, no partial credit. I own three, Blake owns two. My first, a recovery plan for the lost three months. Not a mood, a mechanism.

BlakeAnd mine are the other two. A stated fallback stance on the record from someone with a title and a date, a cost, and a fallback for Congress, each with an owner attached.

MaxMy second, both landers ready. Dude, if they say on track without naming a test article, that's a fail.

BlakeHarsh.

MaxFair. My third, engineering names tied to a calendar. Valve, actuator, whatever. A part with a date passes. A part with an adjective fails.

BlakeAnd I'll add a tripwire. If the word aspirational shows up near 2028, I start counting.

MaxKeep a tally. Now predictions. Mine first. Within a few weeks, nobody publishes a firm date for either test lander being ready. Readiness stays a phrase, not a milestone.

BlakeHmm. I'm less gloomy on that. I say one lander gets a named milestone, but only one. The other stays vague.

MaxWait, you're predicting a split?

BlakeSplits are how organizations hedge without admitting it. Second prediction, the December 11th deadline doesn't move. No new funding language appears before then, and the conversation shifts to what a short-term extension does to the program.

MaxOh, that's a bold one, and I kind of hate that I agree. Politicians love a deadline they can't dodge.

BlakeThird, and this one's cheap, nobody on the record says single landing out loud. The fallback stays implied.

MaxCheap, but is it also the easiest one to lose? One reporter asks the question straight, someone answers it plainly, and your prediction is gone.

BlakeThen I lose, happily. A direct answer is exactly the kind of narrowing we asked for. I'd take a lost prediction over a vague briefing any day, and I'd say so in ink.

MaxPlot twist for the future us, we check all three, and I'm wrong about two.

BlakeThen I get to be insufferable. We revisit these in a future episode, scorecard in hand, and we don't edit them afterwards.

MaxNo sneaky rewrites. Hands on the table.

BlakeAnd we haven't graded anything yet. These are only the tests.

MaxRight. Criteria locked, predictions on the record.

BlakeThen that's the list. Let's close it out.

MaxOkay, so the scorecard goes in the notebook. Five lines, three mine and two Blake's, all blank until Friday's briefing gives us something to write in them.

BlakeBlank is the honest answer. Nothing's graded until someone attaches an owner to a date.

MaxAnd if anybody says single landing out loud, I'm buying you lunch.

BlakeNoted. I'll order the expensive thing.

MaxOf course you will.

BlakeWhat to watch. Whether the briefing narrows the two landing and Artemis IV only options. Next episode, we check our predictions in ink.

MaxWait, one more thing. If a friend of yours still asks why we're going back to the Moon, send them this episode.

BlakePlease do. And subscribe wherever you listen so the next one finds you.

MaxDude, I am genuinely curious which of us the briefing embarrasses first.

BlakeMe. Obviously me.

MaxSee you next time.

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