Marathon Season Meets Leg Day
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What the episode covers
Marathon training season is here, and the question every lifter signing up for a fall race eventually asks is the same: how much squat strength will this cost me? Miles and Amara break down what really happens to strength during high-mileage endurance training, separating outdated interference-effect fears from what current research and their own training logs actually show.
Listeners will learn why volume matters more than workout order when combining lifting and running, how to structure a training week that includes squats, hard runs, and a long run without one wrecking the other, and why underfueling during marathon builds threatens muscle more than the squat rack does. The episode closes with recovery demands that expand with mileage and one concrete decision to make this week.
It's a practical look at balancing strength and endurance without picking sides, which is the whole point of training full spectrum.
Timeline
In this episode
7 moments worth skipping to. The timecodes match the player above.
- 0:00Introduction
- 1:23You Registered. Now Count The Weeks.
- 3:04How Much Strength Are You Actually Losing
- 5:57Sequencing Runs And Lifts In One Week
- 8:25Fueling Long Runs Without Losing Muscle
- 11:00The Recovery Math Nobody Budgets For
- 12:38Outro
Quick answers
Straight from the episode
The questions this one settles, without the listen.
- Does marathon training actually interfere with strength gains?
- The classic interference effect fear has softened in newer research, including a 2025 Frontiers review pooling 43 studies on session order. Miles still sees real squat strength losses during marathon builds, but the episode concludes the real culprit is training dose (total volume), not the order of lifting versus running.
- Should you lift weights before or after running on the same day?
- A 2023 Frontiers analysis found that lift-before-run sequencing holds up even past eight weeks of training, supporting squats or strength work done before hard runs rather than after.
- Should recreational lifters keep heavy squat days during peak marathon mileage?
- Miles and Amara disagree here: one favors dropping to submaximal squat loads during peak mileage weeks to manage fatigue, while the other argues for maintaining heavier work, showing there's no universal answer for recreational lifters.
- Why don't most runners eat enough carbs during a marathon?
- There's a gap between what average runners actually consume mid-race and established sports science guidance (per Jeukendrup). This is partly explained by the SGLT1/GLUT5 transporter mechanism, which physically limits how much carbohydrate the gut can absorb, making gut training important.
- What's the real threat to muscle during marathon training, squats or diet?
- The episode reframes underfueling—not squatting or running volume—as the true risk to muscle during marathon training. Insufficient total food intake, not the squat rack, does the most damage.
- What should you do if your squat numbers stall during marathon training?
- Miles reframes a stalled lift as a normal cost of marathon training, not a personal failure. The concrete action recommended is to pick your race date, count back the weeks, and decide which lift to prioritize protecting each week rather than expecting squat PRs during marathon season.
Transcript
The full conversation
Every word of the episode, 2,174 of them, in the order they were said.
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MilesHey, everyone. Welcome back to Full Spectrum Fit.
AmaraWe're back, and Miles, my legs are still filing a complaint from Sunday's long run.
MilesHow far'd you go?
AmaraFourteen miles. Felt amazing till my 11, then it was just survival.
MilesRelatable. My week was actually solid. Hit 305 for a double on back squat Tuesday.
AmaraWait, seriously? No way.
MilesYeah, yeah, knees grumbled a little, but it moved fast.
AmaraOkay, so get this. Meanwhile, I'm just trying not to die on hill repeats.
MilesLast week, we were deep in Games Floor Territory. Hybrid athletes, CrossFit chaos, all of it.
AmaraRight, the whole, can you be strong and fast at once question.
MilesThis week, we're bringing Matt down to your level because a bunch of you just signed up for a fall marathon or a Hyrox race.
AmaraAnd now you're wondering what that's going to do to your squat.
MilesSpoiler, something happens. We'll get into how much. much and why the old fear might be overblown.
AmaraWe're also building an actual training week together – squats, hard runs, long run, the whole layout.
MilesAnd fueling, because most runners eat way less mid-race than they should.
AmaraThen we close with the recovery stuff nobody budgets for and one real decision for this week.
MilesBig one. So Amara, what's actually on the fall calendar this year?
AmaraBerlin, Chicago, New York, a couple high-rock stop-stop. Up stacked right on top. It's a lot.
Speaker 3It really is. Let's start counting weeks! My knee's still cranky after Sunday's long run, but Thursday's squat session, no bar speed loss at all.
AmaraMeanwhile, I did zone two for 90 minutes and it was the most boring 90 minutes of my week.
Speaker 3Any fall race on the books, or are you just torturing yourself for fun?
AmaraChicago, you?
Speaker 3New York. Honestly, after last week's games episode, watching those hybrid athletes, I caught the itch too.
AmaraThe itch or the ego?
MilesA bit of both, sir.
AmaraOkay, let's do the math nobody wants to do—Today's Tuesday, July twenty eighth.
Speaker 3Berlin's Sunday, September twenty seventh, that's from The5krunners' rundown of the remaining Abbott majors.
AmaraTo that—eight weeks!
Speaker 3Chicago's October eleventh, ten weeks.
AmaraAnd New York, November first, gives you thirteen.
Speaker 3Sounds like plenty until you remember these aren't small races.
AmaraRight. The5krunner notes Berlin alone pulls something like sixty thousand
Speaker 3Wow!
Amaraentrants across its events.
Speaker 3That's insane, and New York Road Runners reportedly got over 240,000 applications in this year's lottery.
Amara240,000 people fighting for one starting line.
Speaker 3This isn't an elite problem, it's a mass participation traffic jam, and you're in it with eight weeks to build.
AmaraAnd it gets worse if you're doing Hyrox, too.
Speaker 3Don't remind me, D.C.'s September 3rd through 5th.
AmaraSalt Lake City's right behind it, September 18th through 20th.
Milestwenty f
Speaker 3So some of you are racing a Hyrox week and starting taper mouth the same
AmaraRight.
Speaker 3month.
AmaraLess runway than people think.
Speaker 3Way less.
AmaraSo here's the question every one who just hit register is quietly panicking about:
Speaker 3What does all this running actually do to my squat? Okay, research hat is officially on because that fear losing your squat while you marathon train has an actual name,
MilesHit me.
Speaker 3the interference effect. Back in 1980, a guy named Hickson ran heavy lifting and heavy endurance work together and found the strength gains just shrank. So the fear is 50 years old and legit. It was legit for a while, but Stronger by Science put out a put out a research spotlight arguing the picture softened a lot since the big 2012 meta-analysis everyone quotes. Softened how? Later work split trained lifters from total beginners, and same-session training from separate sessions. Turns out those two groups behave completely differently. Okay, and? And then this year, Frontiers published a review, Schumann's team pulled 43 studies and found a session order. Your barely moved the needle on hypertrophy or max strength. Wait, define those for me real quick. Hypertrophy is just muscle growth. Size. Max strength is your one rep ceiling. What you could squat once, all out.
MilesGot it.
Speaker 3And order didn't matter. Regardless of age, training status, how often people trained, didn't matter.
MilesI don't buy the doesn't matter part for my guys.
Speaker 3Of course you don't. I've watched marathon builds eat 20- Twenty, thirty pounds off a guy's squat max every single cycle. That's not nothing. Sure, but here's the piece people skip. It's not about order. Dose is the variable.
MilesMeaning?
Speaker 3Meaning the interference climbs once you're doing more than roughly three endurance sessions a week. That's the dial that actually moves things.
MilesOkay, that actually tracks because marathon builds aren't three runs a week.
Speaker 3Right, they're five, six sometimes. So my lifters aren't losing strength because they squat after they run. They're losing it because they're running 40, 50 miles a week on top of it. Exactly the distinction. It's volume, not sequencing. Huh. I've been telling people for years to lift before they run so it doesn't interfere. Your instinct wasn't wrong for feel. Lifting first probably helps you lift heavier that day. But the strength loss over a training block? That's mileage. So the scary version of this-Cardio kills your gains-is mostly outdated.
AmaraMostly. Your mileage may vary, literally, but the panic isn't warranted the way it used to be.
Speaker 3Alright, I'll take the win. Still doesn't mean my guys aren't cranky in week 8.
AmaraNo, they'll still be cranky.
Speaker 3So if it's not about which comes first in the session, it's about arranging the whole week around the dose.
AmaraThat's the actual homework now, not squat. lot before or after your run, but where you place your hardest lifting day against your long run and your total mileage.
Speaker 3Which means we need to talk about what Monday through Sunday should actually look like.
AmaraExactly where we're going next.
Speaker 3So let's actually build the week, not just theorize.
AmaraOkay, lay it out.
MilesTwo hard runs, one long run, two lifts—that's the skeleton for an eight to thirteen week build.
AmaraAnd the sequencing research backs a specific order inside. Frontiers published an analysis in twenty twenty three on concurrent training sequence: lifting before running held up better for lower body strength, especially past eight weeks.
Speaker 3Which lines up with what I do anyway: heavy squat Monday. Easy Shakeout Tuesday, Hard Intervals Wednesday, Lift again Thursday, Upper Body and Accessories.
AmaraLong Run Saturday
Speaker 3Long Run Saturday, Sunday is a jog or nothing. And here's the part people skip: that Monday squat day is placed as far from Saturday's long run as the week allows.
AmaraRight, because if you squat heavy on Friday, your long run legs are toast the next morning.
Speaker 3Exactly. I've watched guys blow up their own long Their own long run because they wanted one more heavy triple two days out.
AmaraNow flip that on its head, though, for Hyrox.
MilesCrocs' racers-they don't get to cut lower body work the way a marathoner can.
AmaraNo way, not with sled pushes and wall balls.
MilesBurpee broad jumps, too-that still loaded lower body power under fatigue-drop the strength work there and the whole race falls apart, not just your time.
AmaraSo for Hyrox folks, I basically flip the emphasis: strength stays the priority, running volume bends around it.
MilesWhat actually gets cut for the marathon crowd, then?
AmaraHypertrophy volume: trim the sets, don't delete the lift; two sets instead of four, same weight.
MilesTo maintain, don't build-that's the actual goal of the block.
AmaraHere's where I'll push back on you, though: I still keep a heavy squat day for recreational lifters, even at peak mileage.
MilesReally, I drop it to submaximal eighty percent once the long runs hit eighteen plus miles. PLUS MILES
AmaraI get the caution; but dropping the heavy stimulus is how people lose confidence under the bar, not just strength.
MilesConfidence isn't a variable in the meta analysis, Miles.
AmaraNo, but it's real. Tendons like heavy singles too, not just volume.
MilesThere, we're both right, depending on the lifter, honestly.
AmaraWhich is the most coach sounding thing either of us has said all episode.
MilesI'm guilty, but none of this, the perfect week, the spacing, the trimmed sets, matters if the long run itself is run on empty.
Amarashifting gears from squats to stomachs
MilesRude but accurate.
AmaraSo how are people actually fueling these long runs?
MilesBadly, mostly. RunnersConnect cited a 2025 study. Average marathoner takes in about 21.7 grams of carbs an hour.
AmaraThat's it?
MilesThat's it. And Jeukendrups's guidance for anything over two hours is 60 to 90 grams.
AmaraAh, so people are running on a third of what they actually need?
MilesLess than a third for some, and you can't just fix it by chugging more gel.
AmaraThe gut thing?
MilesRight. Glucose only moves through one transporter, SGLT1, and it caps around sixty grams an hour, no matter how much you swallow.
AmaraSo more gels past that point just sit there.
MilesSloshing, literally. But fructose uses Uses a different transporter, GLUT5, so pairing the two raises your ceiling-Jeukendrups lays this out. It's why single source gels stall people no matter how many they take.
AmaraI've watched skies blame their quads
Milesat That's
Amaramile eighteen when it's really their stomach that quit five miles earlier.
MilesThat's the bonk nobody diagnoses correctly.
AmaraEvery time. And you can't just show up and try ninety grams cold. Old.
Speaker 3Mm hmm.
MilesRunnersConnect calls it gut training: start around thirty grams an hour twelve weeks out, add ten grams a week.
AmaraLike progressive overload, but for your intestines.
MilesExactly that. It works fast, too: a twenty twenty three review by Martinez found big drops in gut discomfort after just two weeks of practicing it.
AmaraOK, but before anyone starts chasing pro cyclist numbers...
MilesRight, hold on. A twenty twenty five review from Wilson found no clear performance benefit pushing past ninety grams an hour.
AmaraSo more isn't always more.
MilesNot for most of us. Find your own ceiling, don't chase someone else's.
AmaraThe part that actually worries me for lifters though.
MilesGo on.
AmaraUnderfueling the long run is where hypertrophy dies, not the squat schedule.
MilesChronic deficit plus climbing mileage, your body cannibalizes muscle before it touches fat.
AmaraSo the guy is skipping breakfast before a twenty miler to save calories?
MilesIs doing more damage than any squat day ever could.
AmaraBrutal but true.
MilesAnd fueling's only half the bill.
AmaraHalf of what?
MilesSleep, total food intake, the stuff that never shows up on a training plan at all.
AmaraBuilding on that gut talk, sleep's the other number nobody writes down.
MilesTotal food intake, too, not just carbs mid run.
AmaraBoth climb when mileage climbs and neither is written into any plan I've ever seen.
MilesEvery plan's got a pace column, a mileage column; no plan says sleep eight hours.
AmaraWe're talking an extra three hundred to five hundred calories some days, plus another hour of sleep when you can grab it.
MilesAnd most runners skip it-they guard the run, ignore the recovery. Recovery?
AmaraShould, though.
MilesThen there's the mental trap; three months watching your squat number just sit there.
AmaraOr drop.
MilesOr drop.
AmaraIf your one rep max is the only scoreboard, that block feels like a loss. I've watched lifters spiral over that. Three flat months wrecks people's heads if they're not braced for it.
MilesSo reframe the scoreboard now, ideally by week eight.
AmaraAsk instead, did you hold your tops then under fatigue? Did the bar speed stay up? Stay honest, isn't that the actual when mid build?
MilesSo three things before Sunday. Pick your race date.
AmaraBerlin, Chicago, New York, whatever it is.
MilesCount backward from it.
AmaraCount backward, and this week decide one lift you're protecting no matter what.
MilesAnd one you're letting go soft for twelve weeks.
AmaraAnd the honest version of expectations: you won't PR that squat this season.
MilesWow.
AmaraAccept it in week one, and you'll skip the misery come week seven. seven
MilesBrutal, but true.
AmaraJust being straight with you.
MilesAnd High Rock Strength Stations-sled push, wall balls-that's a whole separate episode we owe everyone.
AmaraPromise we'll get there. For now, protect one main lift, two sets, once a week, non negotiable. Everything else bends; pick it and go. So the big takeaway for me, it's dose. How much you're loading each week.
MilesRight, right, right. The sequence barely matters compared to the total volume.
AmaraAnd your dig into that interference effect research eased my mind on marathon training, which
MilesTurns out you probably don't have to panic about your squat numbers. Eat enough, sleep enough, you're mostly fine.
Amaraloops back to those marathon countdown numbers you ran.
MilesEight weeks moves fast. Pick your race date, count backward,
AmaraYeah.
Milesprotect one lift this week.
AmaraSimple math, honestly.
MilesNever easy, though. Got a fitness blind spot you want us to tackle? Drop it in the reviews or tag us at Full Spectrum Fit.
AmaraNew episodes every Tuesday.
MilesThanks for hanging with us today.
AmaraSee you next week.
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