Chud's mom is defending Lindsay Clancy

T Bigl'nForty bucks, Chud. Oil change.

Chud NormievilleHeh. I drove it there though. That's gotta count for something.

T Bigl'nDriving isn't currency.

Chud NormievilleIt's labor, T.

T Bigl'nIt's an excuse with a car attached.

Chud NormievilleFine. Venmo, eventually.

T Bigl'nTested that promise before?

Chud NormievilleNo, but I feel good about it.

T Bigl'nFeelings don't clear a balance, little brother.

Chud NormievilleHarsh, man.

T Bigl'nReal stuff. Speaking of falling apart ...

Chud NormievilleOh, no.

T Bigl'nLindsey Clancy trial. Defense rested this week.

Chud NormievilleWait, already?

T Bigl'nProsecution's rebuttal is next. We'll see how far this mass psychosis goes.

Chud NormievilleWhy's it always turn into a gender war?

T Bigl'nThat's the only war going on in the world right now.

Chud NormievilleInteresting way of looking at things. I wanna hear more about that. Checking phone. Voice shifting. Hold on. My mom's outside the Lindsey Clancy trial.

T Bigl'nAt the rally?

Chud NormievilleYeah.

T Bigl'nWell, that's gonna be a conversation. Every mother out there supporting Lindsey Clancy needs to be investigated.

Chud NormievilleI don't think they're supporting what she did exactly.

T Bigl'nLet's be rational. She's a killer. Psychotic women are turning her into a martyr. Receipts is dated, timestamped, itemized. Paid in full, my card, six weeks ago.

Chud NormievilleOkay. But I Venmoed you the parking from that concert last spring. So really we're square, eh?

T Bigl'nThat's not how math works.

Chud NormievilleIt's how my math works.

T Bigl'nYour math works the way your truck runs, loud and never on time.

Chud NormievilleOkay, that's fair actually.

T Bigl'n$40. Pay the man, little brother.

Chud NormievilleYou want interest on top of that now?

T Bigl'n25%, compounding.

Chud NormievilleThat's not even a real interest rate anywhere.

T Bigl'nI've paid higher rates than that to my business lenders in New York, but that's a story for another time.

Chud NormievilleOkay. Fair.

T Bigl'nYou're the guy who returns a rental with an empty tank and calls it sharing the experience.

Chud NormievilleThat happened one time.

T Bigl'nOnce was enough.

Chud NormievilleMy wife says intent matters more than a printout, eh?

T Bigl'nYour wife's right about a lot of things, not this one.

Chud NormievilleThat's low, using my own trump card against me.

T Bigl'nI'm not against your wife. I'm against a shoebox full of good intentions.

Chud NormievilleFine. I'll Venmo you tonight.

T Bigl'nYou said that in April, too. Details. A list in your head is a rumor. Mine's on a receipt. Lindsey Clancy is 36. She's on trial right now in Plymouth Superior Court, Massachusetts.

Chud NormievilleYeah. The question here really is whether she gets committed or imprisoned. She asked to be committed for psychiatric help several times.

T Bigl'nCNN reports she doesn't deny killing her three kids back in January of 2023. Her lawyer's argument is she shouldn't be held criminally responsible for it. Now women are coming out in droves to support her.

Chud NormievilleWell, T, I think they're just highlighting the negligence of the doctors who overprescribed her and the fact that she was warning those around her that she was afraid she was going to do something awful.

T Bigl'nHeavy is understatement for how her children felt being murdered by their own mother. Defense rested this past Friday, 10 witnesses. She never took the stand.

Chud Normieville10 witnesses and never once explained it herself.

T Bigl'nNot much to explain. She needs the chair, not support. There's no excuse.

Chud NormievilleThat's probably the correct outcome. But don't you think it's worth mentioning the pharmaceutical cocktail they put her on and that she was telling people around her she needed help?

T Bigl'nThose are details, little brother, but the core issue is the same. She needs to be held responsible.

Chud NormievilleThree kids. Close to my girls' ages when they were that little.

T Bigl'nI know.

Chud NormievilleHang on. My mom's texting me.

T Bigl'nAbout this?

Chud NormievilleShe's ... She says she's standing outside the courthouse right now.

T Bigl'nDoing what exactly? Can you imagine if a man did the same thing? Not a single guy in America would be standing outside his murder trial.

Chud NormievilleShe says she's proud of the women out there.

T Bigl'nThe tribalism is off the charts. Every woman outside the courthouse should be under criminal investigation. You know, all these women complaining about how little time they have. Let's see their screen time.

Chud NormievilleWell, they say Lindsey didn't have support.

T Bigl'nSo your mother's standing outside a courthouse, in pink, for a woman on trial for drowning her own kids. She had a husband who worked from home, a nanny, medical care, support from in-laws. How much more did this woman need not to murder her own children?

Chud NormievilleT, come on, she's not there for what happened. She's there for the mom who needed help before any of it happened.

T Bigl'nSame lawn, same day, same news camera. Glorifying a child killer is a new low.

Chud NormievilleIt's not the same thing, and you know it, man.

T Bigl'nNBC put the crowd near 300. AP and PBS both said hundreds, most of them in pink, holding signs that read, "She needed help," outside the Plymouth Courthouse Thursday. You think anyone would support a dad who did the same thing? Not a single man would be out there. Insanity.

Chud NormievilleYeah. And one of those women told PBS she was out there 'cause women get dismissed when they ask for help. That's kinda my mom's whole life, T.

T Bigl'nYour mom raised you alone in a house with no father in it when she moved to Canada, and now she's holding a sign outside supporting a cold-blooded murderer, a woman who killed her own children. There's a lot to unpack here.

Chud NormievilleDon't, don't do the dad thing and the Canada thing right now, please.

T Bigl'nI'm not doing the dad thing. I'm doing the count. Hundreds of women showed up to support this evil killer, Lindsey. Objectively, single fathers make better parents. Check the statistics, little buddy. This raises some serious questions. Why are so many women supporting a woman who killed her own children?

Chud NormievilleNo. She texted me she feels like nobody listened to this woman till three kids were gone. And, uh, honestly, I've felt unheard since way before this trial.

T Bigl'nThat's a feeling, little brother, not a fact. She had a husband, a therapist, her in-laws, and a nanny. This woman, Lindsey, is not a victim. There's no excuse. She should fry.

Chud NormievilleI know. I know that. Doesn't make it not true for me.

T Bigl'nNow it's a social media trend for mothers to sympathize with Clancy. I guess abortions on demand weren't enough.

Chud NormievilleLook at him. He's just nodding both ways at once.

T Bigl'nThat's every house in America right there. Yes and no in the same breath.

Chud NormievilleMy wife says it comes down to whether help shows up before the crisis or after the headline.

T Bigl'nYour wife's lost the plot. A nanny, a loving husband, in-laws, three children. How much more help did this woman need not to commit cold-blooded murder? The National Guard.

Chud NormievilleHey.

T Bigl'n300 women in pink outside a courthouse is after the headline. That's not help. That's a mob of pro-child killers.

Chud NormievilleOr it's the one room in the country where a scared mother doesn't feel alone. I don't know, man. I really don't.

T Bigl'nYou've completely lost the plot. Scared? This lady is a victim now. Nonsense. She's a killer. She needs to fry. There's no excuse. Pure evil. And what's worse is the women supporting her. Absolutely insanity. Have they all lost the plot?

Chud NormievilleShe thinks it means somebody finally believes her, believes women like her.

T Bigl'nBelief's not evidence either, Chud. That's about to be the whole fight in that courtroom. Believe in what anyway? Her right to kill children? Building on that, you want feeling as proof, take it to a courtroom.

Chud NormievilleThat's not what I... Fine. Go.

T Bigl'nProsecutors say she planned it. Deliberate, evil, cut and dry, straight to the chair. The last thing she deserves is support or empathy.

Chud NormievilleThat's the whole case?

T Bigl'nCNN's had that as their argument through the trial.

Chud NormievilleAnd the defense side?

T Bigl'nForensic psychiatrist Phillip Resnick testified bipolar disorder, postpartum psychosis. Not an excuse to kill her children, though. Are women get absolved of all accountability for their actions?

Chud NormievilleWhy is it about women now? I listen to real stuff. There's a psychiatry podcast. Guy said postpartum psychosis is basically common.

T Bigl'nIt isn't. It's basically made up in most cases. I'd like to see a chart of women who claim to have postpartum depression and their daily screen time. Traditionally, new mothers would have lots of time with their community, not be at home watching TikTok complaining about being a mom.

Chud NormievilleHow not?

T Bigl'nNPR quoted clinicians on this. One to two per thousand births. Rare.

Chud NormievilleOkay. That's rarer than I said.

T Bigl'nRarer than the podcast said, too.

Chud NormievilleYeah, he might've been talking about something else entirely.

T Bigl'nWhat's there really to talk about? She had her baby eight months ago.

Chud NormievilleWell, T, I don't think it's fair for you to say you've never given birth.

T Bigl'nDoesn't change the facts. She's a murderer.

Chud NormievilleNo, totally, 100%. I wasn't trying to.

T Bigl'nI know. Saying it out loud so it's said.

Chud NormievilleWhat gets me isn't the trial. It's who was checking on her at 2:00 AM. Where was that person?

T Bigl'nSo now it's the dad or somebody else's responsibility.

Chud NormievilleDon't turn this into the dad thing.

T Bigl'nJust imagine if the genders were reversed. No one would make so many excuses for the dad.

Chud NormievilleOh, here we go.

T Bigl'nStructure. That's my whole argument, little brother.

Chud NormievilleOh, here we go.

T Bigl'nA house runs on somebody keeping a schedule. Married, single, don't matter. Somebody's the clock.

Chud NormievilleAnd you're saying that clock runs tighter alone?

T Bigl'nNever said easier. Said tighter. Five kids. My daddy ran three of those years solo, doing it without a manual. Single dads statistically have better outcomes. Of course, a two-parent household is best, but dads don't really get much credit as parents.

Chud NormievilleCute, but the numbers don't back it. Institute for Family Studies pulled census data. Single dads are 16% of single parent homes now, up from 12.5 in 2007.

T Bigl'nBigger sample. Still holds.

Chud NormievilleNot so fast. Same research, that's about 2.3 million houses, says the studies on single dads are thin, and the kids do about as well as kids with single moms. Income explains most of the gap, not who's in charge.

T Bigl'nPress X to doubt.

Chud NormievilleHe's not gonna.

T Bigl'nJust think about, Chud, Ted Bundy, raised by a single mom.

Chud NormievilleThat's one house, T.

T Bigl'nOne house I trust more than a stat. My kids eat at 6:00 every night, whether their mother's in the room or in Houston.

Chud NormievilleOkay, real thing, not the stat thing.

T Bigl'nGo on.

Chud NormievilleI've got two daughters. What scares me isn't who's running the house. It's not noticing six weeks turn into six months. Schedule looks fine on paper the whole time.

T Bigl'nThat's fair, little brother. So it's not the schedule. It's who's in the room enough to see it move.

Chud NormievilleThat's the actual question, right? Not head of household. Who notices?

T Bigl'nHousehold stuff. Night shift. Who cooks? Who makes the call nobody wants to make? Oil change debt still active. Interest been accruing all episode.

Chud NormievilleWe just finished the show, T.

T Bigl'nDoesn't stop the clock.

Chud NormievilleOf course it doesn't. Worth a shot.

T Bigl'nSo that's what matters. Watch who goes quiet, not just who's loud.

Chud NormievilleI'll take that one.

T Bigl'nThanks for listening, all of you.

Chud NormievilleSeriously, appreciate it, every single one.

T Bigl'nFollow the show. Leave a review. Catch the rematch.

Chud NormievilleAnd if I won this week, which I did-

T Bigl'nYou didn't?

Chud NormievilleTell him. Send us a topic. We'll ruin it.

T Bigl'nGood episode. You barely embarrassed yourself.

Chud NormievilleHighest compliment you've ever paid me.

T Bigl'nDon't get used to it.

Chud NormievilleSo my mom wants on the show next week.

T Bigl'nNo.

Chud NormievilleShe already booked the flight.

T Bigl'nThen we've got a problem.