Death, Sex & Money

<p>In 2002, when Elizabeth Smart was taken from her bed by a stranger, the media covered it day and night. When Elizabeth returned home nine months later, she slowly began to learn to tell her own story, in her own words. This week on the show, she explains what it’s been like to revisit those traumatic details in her <u><a href="https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/my-story/id1440650531?itscg=30200&amp;at=1000l38Mz&amp;ct=death_sex_money" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">2013 memoir</a></u>, in a <u><a href="https://www.netflix.com/title/81744530" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Netflix documentary</a></u>, and in her new podcast <em><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-survivor-files-with-elizabeth-smart/id6799944065?itscg=30200&amp;at=1000l38Mz&amp;ct=death_sex_money" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Survivor Files</a></u></em>, where she and other victims walk through their experiences slowly and carefully. She also talks about her new bodybuilding hobby and how she talks to her kids about safety and risk-taking. </p><p>Podcast production by Cameron Drews. </p><p>Get more with <em>Death, Sex &amp; Money</em> Plus! Join for exclusive bonus episodes of DSM and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the <em>Death, Sex &amp; Money</em> show page on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/death-sex-money/id870688022" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/0yKEWqaqfaAKlSjYnDuisy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>. Or, visit <a href="https://slate.com/death-sex-money-plus?utm_medium=link&amp;utm_campaign=plus_pod&amp;utm_content=Death_Sex_Money&amp;utm_source=episode_summary" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">slate.com/dsmplus</a> to get access wherever you listen.</p><p>If you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/deathsexmoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is deathsexmoney@slate.com.</p><p>Need to set up your Slate Plus feed? If you subscribed through Slate.com, check out our <a href="https://slate.com/podcastfaqs#plusbenefits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FAQ</a> at slate.com/podcastfaqs for easy instructions. Members subscribed via Apple Podcasts get automatic access—no setup required.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

<p>For this episode, we asked for your stories about medication side effects. You told us about the weird, from sleep-eating to compulsive spending. You told us about making trade-off calculations: Is an improved mood worth a decreased sex drive? And we heard about the loneliness of living with side effects that alter your quality of life when you have a condition that depends on lifelong treatment.</p><p>Podcast production by Zoe Azulay</p><p>Death, Sex &amp; Money is produced by Slate! To support us and our colleagues, please sign up for our membership program, <a href="http://slate.com/dsmplus" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Slate Plus</a>! Members get ad-free podcasts, bonus content on lots of Slate shows, and full access to all the articles on Slate.com. Sign up today at <a href="http://slate.com/dsmplus" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">slate.com/dsmplus</a>.</p><p>And if you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/deathsexmoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our email address, where you can reach us with voice memos and pitches is, deathsexmoney@slate.com.</p><p>Need to set up your Slate Plus feed? If you subscribed through Slate.com, check out our <a href="https://slate.com/podcastfaqs#plusbenefits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FAQ</a> at slate.com/podcastfaqs for easy instructions. Members subscribed via Apple Podcasts get automatic access—no setup required.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

<p>Now famous as a New York City nightlife fixture and for his role on <em>Somebody Somewhere</em>, comedian Murray Hill used to keep his personal history private. In fact, the persona of “Murray Hill” started as a drag king character modeled after old-timey comedians. Over time, though, the gap between the character and the man has shrunk. </p><p>This week on the show, Murray opens up about everything: his upbringing in Connecticut with a family who could be cruel and abusive, teachers who looked out for him, and friends who helped the real Murray emerge. </p><p>His new memoir is called <em><u><a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/showbiz/id6759484102?itscg=30200&amp;at=1000l38Mz&amp;ct=death_sex_money" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Showbiz!: My Life as a Middle-Aged Man</a></u></em>. </p><p>The interview with Norman Lear that Anna mentions can be found <u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/all-in-the-family-of-norman-lear/id870688022?i=1000372893249" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">here</a></u>. </p><p>Get more with <em>Death, Sex &amp; Money</em> Plus! Join for exclusive bonus episodes of DSM and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the <em>Death, Sex &amp; Money</em> show page on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/death-sex-money/id870688022" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/0yKEWqaqfaAKlSjYnDuisy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>. Or, visit <a href="https://slate.com/death-sex-money-plus?utm_medium=link&amp;utm_campaign=plus_pod&amp;utm_content=Death_Sex_Money&amp;utm_source=episode_summary" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">slate.com/dsmplus</a> to get access wherever you listen.</p><p>If you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/deathsexmoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is deathsexmoney@slate.com. </p><p>Need to set up your Slate Plus feed? If you subscribed through Slate.com, check out our <a href="https://slate.com/podcastfaqs#plusbenefits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FAQ</a> at slate.com/podcastfaqs for easy instructions. Members subscribed via Apple Podcasts get automatic access—no setup required.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

<p>To mark John Prine’s 80’s birthday, Anna catches up with his wife Fiona. Then we revisit Anna’s 2018 conversation with John, where he discussed his bestselling album <em><u><a href="https://music.apple.com/us/album/the-tree-of-forgiveness/1769010948?itscg=30200&amp;at=1000l38Mz&amp;ct=death_sex_money" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tree of Forgiveness</a></u></em>. </p><p>Podcast production by Cameron Drews.</p><p>Right now, we’re running a deal on Death, Sex &amp; Money Plus memberships! Sign up to get bonus episodes of DSM and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Visit <a href="https://slate.com/death-sex-money-plus?utm_medium=link&amp;utm_campaign=plus_pod&amp;utm_content=Death_Sex_Money&amp;utm_source=episode_summary" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">slate.com/dsmplus</a> and use promo code DSM50 to get 50% off your membership – a full year of Death, Sex &amp; Money Plus for $59. </p><p>If you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/deathsexmoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, and critiques, is deathsexmoney@slate.com.</p><p>Need to set up your Slate Plus feed? If you subscribed through Slate.com, check out our <a href="https://slate.com/podcastfaqs#plusbenefits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FAQ</a> at slate.com/podcastfaqs for easy instructions. Members subscribed via Apple Podcasts get automatic access—no setup required.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

<p>After three years as Poet Laureate, Ada Limón craved a smaller, more private life. Then she saw a sign: her childhood home was for sale. In this episode, Anna and Ada talk about writing, memory, chronic pain and making a life where she started.</p><p><u><a href="https://adalimon.com/books" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ada Limón’s</a></u> latest book is called<em><u><a href="https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/against-breaking-unabridged/id1838728847?itscg=30200&amp;at=1000l38Mz&amp;ct=death_sex_money" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> Against Breaking: On the Power of Poetry</a></u></em><a href="https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/against-breaking-unabridged/id1838728847?itscg=30200&amp;at=1000l38Mz&amp;ct=death_sex_money" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">. She’s also the editor of </a><em>You Are Here: Poetry In the Natural World</em>. </p><p>Death, Sex &amp; Money is produced by Slate. To support us and our colleagues, please sign up for our membership program, <a href="http://slate.com/dsmplus" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Slate Plus</a>! Members get ad-free podcasts, bonus content on lots of Slate shows, and full access to all the articles on Slate.com. Sign up today at <a href="http://slate.com/dsmplus" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">slate.com/dsmplus</a>.</p><p>And if you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/deathsexmoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our new email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is deathsexmoney@slate.com.</p><p>Need to set up your Slate Plus feed? If you subscribed through Slate.com, check out our <a href="https://slate.com/podcastfaqs#plusbenefits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FAQ</a> at slate.com/podcastfaqs for easy instructions. Members subscribed via Apple Podcasts get automatic access—no setup required.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

<p>This year, Stavros Halkias released a stand-up special, appeared in the Anthony Bourdain biopic <em>Tony</em>, and continued his run on the hit Netflix show <em>Tires</em>. Despite the high points, he says this year has also been “torture.”</p><p>This week on the show, Stavros breaks down why success and unhealthy habits go hand in hand for him. He also traces his upbringing in a working-class immigrant family in Baltimore, his experiences in therapy, and his growing aptitude for flirting with women. </p><p>Podcast production by Cameron Drews. </p><p>Right now, we’re running a deal on Death, Sex &amp; Money Plus memberships! Sign up to get bonus episodes of DSM and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Visit <a href="https://slate.com/death-sex-money-plus?utm_medium=link&amp;utm_campaign=plus_pod&amp;utm_content=Death_Sex_Money&amp;utm_source=episode_summary" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">slate.com/dsmplus</a> and use promo code DSM50 to get 50% off your membership – a full year of Death, Sex &amp; Money Plus for $59. </p><p>If you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/deathsexmoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is deathsexmoney@slate.com.</p><p>Need to set up your Slate Plus feed? If you subscribed through Slate.com, check out our <a href="https://slate.com/podcastfaqs#plusbenefits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FAQ</a> at slate.com/podcastfaqs for easy instructions. Members subscribed via Apple Podcasts get automatic access—no setup required.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

<p>Stefan’s mother said he was too smart for public school and took him out of 4th grade. But instead of studying, Stefan’s homeschool curriculum was organized around keeping his mother company and pretending he wouldn’t grow up and leave her. In this episode, Stefan Merrill Block talks about his five year homeschool experience, how it shaped him as a father and writer, and the ambivalence of loving a parent while recognizing the harm they caused.&nbsp;</p><p>Stefan Merrill Block’s memoir <a href="https://www.harpercollins.com/products/homeschooled-stefan-merrill-block?variant=43837260169250" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Homeschooled</a> is out now.</p><p>Podcast production by Zoe Azulay&nbsp;</p><p>Death, Sex &amp; Money is now produced by Slate! To support us and our colleagues, please sign up for our membership program, <a href="http://slate.com/dsmplus" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Slate Plus</a>! Members get ad-free podcasts, bonus content on lots of Slate shows, and full access to all the articles on Slate.com. Sign up today at <a href="http://slate.com/dsmplus" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">slate.com/dsmplus</a>.</p><p>And if you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/deathsexmoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our new email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is deathsexmoney@slate.com.</p><p>Need to set up your Slate Plus feed? If you subscribed through Slate.com, check out our <a href="https://slate.com/podcastfaqs#plusbenefits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FAQ</a> at slate.com/podcastfaqs for easy instructions. Members subscribed via Apple Podcasts get automatic access—no setup required.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

<p>Anna Blake started an OnlyFans account, not as a pleasure project, but to achieve some financial stability. When she found out she hated the work and made little money, her relationship to sex – and to money – had to change.&nbsp;</p><p>This week on the show, she talks to Anna Sale about being homeschooled as a kid, having few job prospects as a young adult with a G.E.D., and the class conversation that she feels is missing from the discourse about sex work.&nbsp;</p><p>You can read Anna Blake’s writing at <a href="http://nothingseriousbyannablake.substack.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">nothingseriousbyannablake.substack.com</a>, or you can follow her on TikTok at <a href="http://tiktok.com/@nerdnextdoorbabe" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">tiktok.com/@nerdnextdoorbabe</a>.&nbsp;</p><p>Podcast production by Cameron Drews.&nbsp;</p><p>Right now, we’re running a deal on Death, Sex &amp; Money Plus memberships! Sign up to get bonus episodes of DSM and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Visit <a href="https://slate.com/death-sex-money-plus?utm_medium=link&amp;utm_campaign=plus_pod&amp;utm_content=Death_Sex_Money&amp;utm_source=episode_summary" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">slate.com/dsmplus</a> and use promo code DSM50 to get 50% off your membership – a full year of Death, Sex &amp; Money Plus for $59.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>If you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/deathsexmoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is deathsexmoney@slate.com. </p><br><p><br></p><p>Need to set up your Slate Plus feed? If you subscribed through Slate.com, check out our <a href="https://slate.com/podcastfaqs#plusbenefits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FAQ</a> at slate.com/podcastfaqs for easy instructions. Members subscribed via Apple Podcasts get automatic access—no setup required.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

<p>The pay-what-you-want business model is mostly found in museums and churches, but this week we’ll hear from entrepreneurs and artists who are implementing it in unlikely places. Guests include: Katie Bishop, owner of <a href="https://principlesbk.nyc/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Principles G.I. Coffee House</a> in Brooklyn, musician <a href="https://greatmovieideas.tumblr.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jeff Rosenstock</a> of Bomb the Music Industry!, and Aimé Nuñez, owner of <a href="https://www.pegasusreuse.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pegasus Creative Reuse</a> in Dallas.&nbsp;</p><p>We also hear from <a href="https://faculty.bentley.edu/profile/ssantana" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Shelle Santana</a>, assistant professor of marketing at Bentley University, who studies the PWYW model and tells Anna why its success is so confusing to economists.&nbsp;</p><p>Podcast production by Cameron Drews.&nbsp;</p><p>Right now, we’re running a deal on Death, Sex &amp; Money Plus memberships! Sign up to get bonus episodes of DSM and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Visit <a href="https://slate.com/death-sex-money-plus?utm_medium=link&amp;utm_campaign=plus_pod&amp;utm_content=Death_Sex_Money&amp;utm_source=episode_summary" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">slate.com/dsmplus</a> and use promo code DSM50 to get 50% off your membership – a full year of Death, Sex &amp; Money Plus for $59.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>If you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/deathsexmoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is deathsexmoney@slate.com.</p><p>Need to set up your Slate Plus feed? If you subscribed through Slate.com, check out our <a href="https://slate.com/podcastfaqs#plusbenefits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FAQ</a> at slate.com/podcastfaqs for easy instructions. Members subscribed via Apple Podcasts get automatic access—no setup required.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

<p>Porn. It’s something that people use in their most intimate, private moments. It’s a way to acknowledge desire — without any of the attachments of intimacy. For some of you, that's incredibly freeing. For others, it's caused some real problems.</p><p>This episode originally aired in 2016 and was produced by Chester Jesus Soria and Katie Bishop</p><p>If you have stories about using AI porn, experimenting with deepfakes, or seeing yourself depicted in one, record a voice memo and email it to us at deathsexmoney@slate.com.&nbsp;</p><p>Death, Sex &amp; Money is now produced by Slate! To support us and our colleagues, please sign up for our membership program, <a href="http://slate.com/dsmplus" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Slate Plus</a>! Members get ad-free podcasts, bonus content on lots of Slate shows, and full access to all the articles on Slate.com. Sign up today at <a href="http://slate.com/dsmplus" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">slate.com/dsmplus</a>.</p><p>And if you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/deathsexmoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. </p><br><p><br></p><p>Need to set up your Slate Plus feed? If you subscribed through Slate.com, check out our <a href="https://slate.com/podcastfaqs#plusbenefits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FAQ</a> at slate.com/podcastfaqs for easy instructions. Members subscribed via Apple Podcasts get automatic access—no setup required.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

<p>Nursing home care in the U.S. can run families $10,000 a month, a cost Medicare won’t pay for. When Anna de la Cruz's parents both developed dementia around the same time, her family split into two paths: a Medicaid ‘spend down’ in the U.S. for her mom, and a move to a memory care facility in Mexico for her dad.</p><p><a href="mailto:anna@annadelacruz.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Anna De La Cruz</a> writes a newsletter about caregiving called <a href="https://www.genxandwich.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Gen Xandwich</a>. Laura Silverstein is a senior care manager with <a href="https://silverandsageconsultingnw.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Silver and Sage Consulting NW</a>. Wendy Jane Carrel, a care advocate, runs <a href="https://www.wellnessshepherd.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wellness Shepherd</a>.&nbsp;</p><p>To find a care manager near you, try searching the <a href="http://aginglifecare.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Aging Life Care Association</a>.</p><p>This episode was produced by Zoe Azulay.</p><p>Death, Sex &amp; Money is now produced by Slate! To support us and our colleagues, please sign up for our membership program, <a href="http://slate.com/dsmplus" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Slate Plus</a>! Members get ad-free podcasts, bonus content on lots of Slate shows, and full access to all the articles on Slate.com. Sign up today at <a href="http://slate.com/dsmplus" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">slate.com/dsmplus</a>.</p><p>And if you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/deathsexmoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our new email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is deathsexmoney@slate.com.</p><br><p>Need to set up your Slate Plus feed? If you subscribed through Slate.com, check out our <a href="https://slate.com/podcastfaqs#plusbenefits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FAQ</a> at slate.com/podcastfaqs for easy instructions. Members subscribed via Apple Podcasts get automatic access—no setup required.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

<p>The bestselling novelist behind works like <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/amy-and-isabelle/id419975757?itscg=30200&amp;at=1000l38Mz&amp;ct=death_sex_money" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Amy and Isabelle</em></a> and <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/olive-kitteridge/id419952416?itscg=30200&amp;at=1000l38Mz&amp;ct=death_sex_money" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Olive Kitteridge</em></a> discusses her excitement about turning 70, her reserved New England upbringing, and how death figures into her latest novel, <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/the-things-we-never-say/id6753041097?itscg=30200&amp;at=1000l38Mz&amp;ct=death_sex_money" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Things We Never Say</em></a>. She also talks about her later start in publishing, her experience taking a stand-up comedy class, and her fascination with New York City’s loud, emotional straight talk.&nbsp;</p><p>Get more <em>Death, Sex &amp; Money</em> with Slate Plus! Join for exclusive bonus episodes of DSM and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the <em>Death, Sex &amp; Money</em> show page on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/death-sex-money/id870688022" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/0yKEWqaqfaAKlSjYnDuisy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>. Or, visit <a href="https://slate.com/death-sex-money-plus?utm_medium=link&amp;utm_campaign=plus_pod&amp;utm_content=Death_Sex_Money&amp;utm_source=episode_summary" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">slate.com/dsmplus</a> to get access wherever you listen.</p><p>If you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/deathsexmoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is <a href="mailto:deathsexmoney@slate.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">deathsexmoney@slate.com</a>.</p><p>Need to set up your Slate Plus feed? If you subscribed through Slate.com, check out our <a href="https://slate.com/podcastfaqs#plusbenefits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FAQ</a> at slate.com/podcastfaqs for easy instructions. Members subscribed via Apple Podcasts get automatic access—no setup required.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

<p>Peter Santenello has been documenting his world travels on YouTube for nearly two decades, but it wasn’t until he moved in with a family in the Ukrainian countryside that he really began to hone his storytelling approach.&nbsp;There were no flashy edits or celebrities, just visits with locals talking about their home, and his Ukraine series quickly gained an online following in that country.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>When the pandemic hit, Peter moved home to the United States and wondered if his formula could work there too – and that’s when his audience really exploded.&nbsp;Now with more than 4 million subscribers, Peter travels around the country chronicling all sorts of micro-cultures that “the media fails to capture,” showcasing places at various points of the economic cycle, some booming, and others left out of prosperity and struggling to hold on.&nbsp;</p><p>He joins Anna to talk about transitioning to US-based videos, what makes his approach unique, and why curiosity beats expertise.&nbsp;</p><p>You can watch all of Peter’s videos on his YouTube channel <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@PeterSantenello" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>@PeterSantenello</em></a>, and his new book<em> </em><a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/your-fellow-americans/id6754248733?itscg=30200&amp;at=1000l38Mz&amp;ct=death_sex_money" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Your Fellow Americans: Dispatches from Across the Country We Call Home</em></a><em> </em>is out now.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>This episode was produced by Andrew Dunn.&nbsp;</p><p>Get more <em>Death, Sex &amp; Money</em> with Slate Plus! Join for exclusive bonus episodes of DSM and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the <em>Death, Sex &amp; Money</em> show page on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/death-sex-money/id870688022" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/0yKEWqaqfaAKlSjYnDuisy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>. Or, visit <a href="https://slate.com/death-sex-money-plus?utm_medium=link&amp;utm_campaign=plus_pod&amp;utm_content=Death_Sex_Money&amp;utm_source=episode_summary" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">slate.com/dsmplus</a> to get access wherever you listen.</p><p>If you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/deathsexmoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is deathsexmoney@slate.com.&nbsp;</p><p>Need to set up your Slate Plus feed? If you subscribed through Slate.com, check out our <a href="https://slate.com/podcastfaqs#plusbenefits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FAQ</a> at slate.com/podcastfaqs for easy instructions. Members subscribed via Apple Podcasts get automatic access—no setup required.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

<p>Caroline started going to therapy as a teenager because of depression. After a couple of years working together, she expressed a fantasy. “I had a vision of us dancing to Pachelbel's Canon” she told him. Caroline's therapist was 45-years-old and married, but they soon started a romantic relationship.&nbsp;</p><p>In this episode, Anna hears from&nbsp;Caroline and other listeners about when romantic feelings come up in therapy and unpacks it all with Sally Openshaw, a psychologist and expert who studies erotic transference.</p><p>Podcast production by Zoe Azulay</p><p>Death, Sex &amp; Money is now produced by Slate! To support us and our colleagues, please sign up for our membership program, <a href="http://slate.com/dsmplus" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Slate Plus</a>! Members get ad-free podcasts, bonus content on lots of Slate shows, and full access to all the articles on Slate.com. Sign up today at <a href="http://slate.com/dsmplus" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">slate.com/dsmplus</a>.</p><p>And if you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/deathsexmoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our new email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is deathsexmoney@slate.com.&nbsp;</p><p>Need to set up your Slate Plus feed? If you subscribed through Slate.com, check out our <a href="https://slate.com/podcastfaqs#plusbenefits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FAQ</a> at slate.com/podcastfaqs for easy instructions. Members subscribed via Apple Podcasts get automatic access—no setup required.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

<p>The man behind artful and goofy comedies like <em>The Righteous Gemstones</em> and <em>Eastbound and Down</em> talks about finding his people at an upstart public film program in North Carolina, crafting characters that are nothing like himself, and nurturing a community of like-minded filmmaker friends far away from Hollywood.&nbsp;</p><p>He also discusses his new short story collection <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/thrilling-tales-of-modern-men/id6752918539?ign-itscg=10000&amp;ign-itsct=mus-0-mus_fam-posn88_stm-apl-avl-2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Thrilling Tales of Modern Men</em></a>.&nbsp;</p><p>Podcast production by Cameron Drews.&nbsp;</p><p>Get more <em>Death, Sex &amp; Money</em> with Slate Plus! Join for exclusive bonus episodes of DSM and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the <em>Death, Sex &amp; Money</em> show page on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/death-sex-money/id870688022" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/0yKEWqaqfaAKlSjYnDuisy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>. Or, visit <a href="https://slate.com/death-sex-money-plus?utm_medium=link&amp;utm_campaign=plus_pod&amp;utm_content=Death_Sex_Money&amp;utm_source=episode_summary" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">slate.com/dsmplus</a> to get access wherever you listen.</p><p>If you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/deathsexmoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is deathsexmoney@slate.com.</p><br><p><br></p><p>Need to set up your Slate Plus feed? If you subscribed through Slate.com, check out our <a href="https://slate.com/podcastfaqs#plusbenefits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FAQ</a> at slate.com/podcastfaqs for easy instructions. Members subscribed via Apple Podcasts get automatic access—no setup required.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

<p>In the mid-1970’s, a small college radio station created an evening program catering to a new socioeconomic group referred to as the “new Black middle class.” The show was called “The Quiet Storm” and it grew so popular that an entire genre of music would spring up alongside it.&nbsp; Artists like Anita Baker, Luther Vandross, and many more would find massive success in the genre, performing smooth and sexy songs you could turn on after a long day.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>Audio producer Christopher Johnson made a piece about <em>The Quiet Storm</em> for the legendary podcast about design <em>99% Invisible</em> and he joins Anna to talk about why Quiet Storm music will always feel like home to him.</p><p>You can listen to The Quiet Storm playlist from <em>99% Invisible </em><a href="https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0cuU6j4C77EEuQDRWEEKFb?si=a2u3yKzLTwqz7cvycywmUw" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">here</a> and check out the seasons of Slow Burn that Christopher worked on here:&nbsp; <a href="https://slate.com/podcasts/slow-burn/s3/biggie-and-tupac" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Season 3 - Biggie and Tupac</a> and <a href="https://slate.com/podcasts/slow-burn/s4/david-duke" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Season 4 - David Duke</a>.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>This episode was produced for DSM by Andrew Dunn.&nbsp;</p><p>Death, Sex &amp; Money is now produced by Slate! To support us and our colleagues, please sign up for our membership program, <a href="http://slate.com/dsmplus" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Slate Plus</a>! Members get ad-free podcasts, bonus content on lots of Slate shows, and full access to all the articles on Slate.com. Sign up today at <a href="http://slate.com/dsmplus" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">slate.com/dsmplus</a>.</p><p>And if you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/deathsexmoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our new email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is deathsexmoney@slate.com.</p><br><p><br></p><p>Need to set up your Slate Plus feed? If you subscribed through Slate.com, check out our <a href="https://slate.com/podcastfaqs#plusbenefits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FAQ</a> at slate.com/podcastfaqs for easy instructions. Members subscribed via Apple Podcasts get automatic access—no setup required.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

<p>Jim Tierney, pet tracker, has worked on more than 250 lost pet cases around New York City. Jim says once a dog is lost, their behavior changes. “They become less like your pet, and more like a wild animal.” In this episode Jim talks with Zoe Azulay about his tracking method, what it’s like to work with distressed pet owners, and why he didn’t become an animal lover until after his divorce.</p><p>Death, Sex &amp; Money is now produced by Slate! To support us and our colleagues, please sign up for our membership program, <a href="http://slate.com/dsmplus" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Slate Plus</a>! Members get ad-free podcasts, bonus content on lots of Slate shows, and full access to all the articles on Slate.com. Sign up today at <a href="http://slate.com/dsmplus" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">slate.com/dsmplus</a>.</p><p>And if you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/deathsexmoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our new email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is deathsexmoney@slate.com.</p><br><p><br></p><p>Need to set up your Slate Plus feed? If you subscribed through Slate.com, check out our <a href="https://slate.com/podcastfaqs#plusbenefits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FAQ</a> at slate.com/podcastfaqs for easy instructions. Members subscribed via Apple Podcasts get automatic access—no setup required.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

<p>This week, listeners share what it’s like to plan a dream wedding when money and family relationships lead to conflict and compromise. We hear from couples with vastly different ideas of what they wanted to spend, about opinionated parents and in-laws, and tips from people who managed to spend less. This episode first ran in 2023 and includes new updates from some of the happy couples.&nbsp;</p><p>Podcast production by Zoe Azulay with help from Cameron Drews.</p><p>Get more <em>Death, Sex &amp; Money</em> with Slate Plus! Join for exclusive bonus episodes of DSM and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the <em>Death, Sex &amp; Money</em> show page on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/death-sex-money/id870688022" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/0yKEWqaqfaAKlSjYnDuisy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>. Or, visit <a href="https://slate.com/death-sex-money-plus?utm_medium=link&amp;utm_campaign=plus_pod&amp;utm_content=Death_Sex_Money&amp;utm_source=episode_summary" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">slate.com/dsmplus</a> to get access wherever you listen.</p><p>If you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/deathsexmoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is deathsexmoney@slate.com.</p><br><p><br></p><p>Need to set up your Slate Plus feed? If you subscribed through Slate.com, check out our <a href="https://slate.com/podcastfaqs#plusbenefits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FAQ</a> at slate.com/podcastfaqs for easy instructions. Members subscribed via Apple Podcasts get automatic access—no setup required.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

<p>A lot has happened in Jeff Hiller’s life since he was last on the show in 2024.&nbsp; Last year he won an Emmy for his role on the HBO show <em>Somebody Somewhere</em> and then went viral for his sincere and funny acceptance speech. He’s had featured roles in the AppleTV hits <a href="https://tv.apple.com/us/show/pluribus/umc.cmc.37axgovs2yozlyh3c2cmwzlza" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pluribus</a> and <a href="https://tv.apple.com/us/show/widows-bay/umc.cmc.1zzly0vah46bnvnwf0qkrjhh2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Widow’s Bay</a> and joined the revolving cast of the Broadway show <a href="https://celebrityautobiography.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Celebrity Autobiography</a>. And his memoir <a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Actress-of-a-Certain-Age/Jeff-Hiller/9781668031865" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Actress of a Certain Age</a> is out in paperback.</p><p>This week, Jeff returns to tell Anna about all the ways his life has changed – and hasn’t – since that surprise awards win, including the internet’s curiosity about his body, facing the financial realities of a changing Hollywood, and how we can all remember to seek joy by avoiding the fate of Margaret Atwood’s rooster.</p><p>Podcast production by Cameron Drews and Andrew Dunn</p><p>Get more <em>Death, Sex &amp; Money</em> with Slate Plus! Join for exclusive bonus episodes of DSM and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the <em>Death, Sex &amp; Money</em> show page on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/death-sex-money/id870688022" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/0yKEWqaqfaAKlSjYnDuisy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>. Or, visit <a href="https://slate.com/death-sex-money-plus?utm_medium=link&amp;utm_campaign=plus_pod&amp;utm_content=Death_Sex_Money&amp;utm_source=episode_summary" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">slate.com/dsmplus</a> to get access wherever you listen.</p><p>If you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/deathsexmoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is deathsexmoney@slate.com.&nbsp; </p><br><p><br></p><p>Need to set up your Slate Plus feed? If you subscribed through Slate.com, check out our <a href="https://slate.com/podcastfaqs#plusbenefits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FAQ</a> at slate.com/podcastfaqs for easy instructions. Members subscribed via Apple Podcasts get automatic access—no setup required.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

<p>Growing up, whenever Anna Konkle's parents fought–which was frequently–she usually sided with her dad. As she got older, she started to see those memories differently. Was her dad actually the bad guy? This week on <em>Death, Sex &amp; Money</em>, Konkle talks about her new memoir, <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/the-sane-one/id6749604954?itscg=30200&amp;at=1000l38Mz&amp;ct=death_sex_money" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Sane One</em></a>, and the challenges of unpacking morally ambiguous memories. She also narrows in on her relationship with her dad, their estrangement, and their reconciliation shortly before his death.&nbsp;</p><p>Konkle is an actor and writer who was the co-creator and star of <em>PEN15</em>, the tween comedy series where she starred as a middle schooler and reenacted many of these confusing scenes from growing up. She appeared most recently in the final season of HBO’s <em>Hacks</em>.&nbsp;</p><p>Podcast production by Cameron Drews.&nbsp;</p><p>Get more <em>Death, Sex &amp; Money</em> with Slate Plus! Join for exclusive bonus episodes of DSM and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the <em>Death, Sex &amp; Money</em> show page on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/death-sex-money/id870688022" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/0yKEWqaqfaAKlSjYnDuisy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>. Or, visit <a href="https://slate.com/death-sex-money-plus?utm_medium=link&amp;utm_campaign=plus_pod&amp;utm_content=Death_Sex_Money&amp;utm_source=episode_summary" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">slate.com/dsmplus</a> to get access wherever you listen.</p><p>If you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/deathsexmoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a> and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is deathsexmoney@slate.com.</p><br><p><br></p><p>Need to set up your Slate Plus feed? If you subscribed through Slate.com, check out our <a href="https://slate.com/podcastfaqs#plusbenefits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FAQ</a> at slate.com/podcastfaqs for easy instructions. Members subscribed via Apple Podcasts get automatic access—no setup required.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>