This is Cybersecurity's premier podcast. Running strong since 2011 Rafal Los, James Jardine, and Jim Tiller bring a no-nonsense, non-commercial approach to our profession. DtSR brings interviews and discussion with people you want to meet, and stories you have to hear. So whether you're just starting out, or are decades deep into your career, you'll always learn something on this show. On Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/@DtSR_Podcast On YouTube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/
DtSR Episode 716 - What if Context Replaced Alerts Entirely
Guests: Jason Vest & Josh Neil TL;DR: Alert fatigue is still a problem; detection isn't generationally better - but we have all this AI. So what gives? Description Alert fatigue is not just a workload problem; it is a product design problem. We dig into a provocative claim sparked by a LinkedIn post: today’s “AI SOC triage” can be a band-aid if it only cleans up alerts after the fact instead of improving threat detection where it starts, in raw telemetry and early signal extraction. We’re joined by Jason Vest (CTO at Binary Defense) and Josh (a statistician with experience from Los Alamos, the Department of Energy, and leading the Microsoft Defender for Endpoint data science team). Together we unpack why rules and detection engineering still matter: they encode what we know is bad, but rigid rule matches and atomic alerts can also trap teams in an endless false positive vs. false negative trade-off. Josh goes as far as to argue that alerts should “die in a fire,” pushing us to think in terms of attack stories and enterprise-wide context, not isolated hits. From there we explore what actually scales: when anomaly detection works, why “model everything” breaks down, and how trigger-based just-in-time modeling can build lightweight models on demand, score the nearby context, then disappear. We also talk about moving from alerts to “situations,” using agentic AI to gather more context across identity, endpoint, and network, plus what transparency should look like for model validation and community standards. Subscribe, share this with your SOC team, and leave a review. Where do you think detection should evolve next: better rules, better models, or a world without alerts? YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/GYjePXCiKM0 Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
DtSR Episode 715 - Reducing The Toil of the SOC Analyst
TL;DR: David Kennedy & Larry Whiteside, Jr. join the podcast to talk about how 'alerts' are a terrible measure of work in the SOC, and what we're doing about it. We discuss the analyst experience, why it's so difficult and leads to burning our best staff out, and also David introduces his latest: NightBeacon CMD. You need to hear this. I'm starting to edit my own videos, so hopefully you like the new format. YouTube Video: https://youtu.be/aMTFaXwRl_A Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
DtSR Episode 714 - Limitations and Expectations for AI SOC Part 2
TL;DR: This week's pod is the conclusion to the 2-part series on AI SOC with Anton Chuvakin, Daniel Miessler, Rock Lambros, Erik Bloch, and Raja Mukerji. We talk about the rational application of AI to cybersecurity and what the future holds for the various options. You won't want to miss this one. Youtube Video: https://youtu.be/5YIpZuQLTMg Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
DtSR Episode 713 - Limitations and Expectations for AI SOC Part 1
TL;DR: Join Raja Mukerji , Anton Chuvakin , Daniel Miessler , Rock Lambros , and Erik Bloch for a banger of an episode (part 1 of 2) where we debate the potential of AI and the current state of delivery for SOC and security applications. This episode was made possible by a group of people with much better things to do than record a podcast who donated their time. Please join me in thanking them for their generous contributions. YouTube video: ...coming soon, blame Anton Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
DtSR Episode 712 - Lies My AI SOC Salesman Tells
TL;DR: Seth Summersett of Embed Security joins the podcast to talk about the snake oil that's coming from the AI SOC sellers. There's such a significant gap between what you're being sold and what's real. Seth and the gang talk about what's real, what you should expect, and where the line of bullsh** is. YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/Z8R19cjTjwA? Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
DtSR Episode 711 - Tim Chase Boring but Necessary
TL;DR: This week's pod features Tim Chase , a field CISO and, by background, a practitioner. We talk about "prioritization", a topic that's boring but incredibly necessary, as I am confident nobody out here has this solved yet! YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/099rUu0pV0g Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
DtSR Episode 710 - Leading and Innovating in Security
TL;DR: This week's podcast features Adam Ely - innovator, leader, and founder. Adam's led some of the world's largest security orgs, and started a tiny start-up. He's got knowledge and wisdom to share, so take it in. YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/PVTDaiiwlMs Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
DtSR Episode 709 - Zero Trusting OT
TL;DR: Phillip Wylie joins Rafal live from Zero Trust World 2026 in Orlando, FL, to talk about Operational Technologies (OT) in the context of Zero Trust. As the Joker once said, "Hubba Hubba, who do you trust?" YouTube: https://youtu.be/N5sI85IwxIQ Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
DtSR Episode 708 - Does AI Give Threat Actors an Advantage
TL;DR: This week's pod features Karim Hijazi, Adam Meyers, and Will Gragido on AI and the potential advantages for adversaries . It's a fascinating discussion with in-depth analysis, commentary, and relatable stories that will give you the insights you can't get anywhere else. Buckle in, this one's an hour but completely worth it. YouTube Video: https://www.youtube.com/live/w7nBe_uS8G4 Energy-Based Model company (that Karim referenced): https://logicalintelligence.com/ Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
DtSR Episode 707 - Impact of AI on the Intelligence Game
TL;DR: Today's pod features Will Gragido , a multi-time returning guest with deep expertise in cyber intelligence, threat actors, and related activity. Will shares his expertise with us on how AI will impact the gathering, analysis, dissemination, and utilization of adversary and threat intelligence. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/l7mrBPRTokQ Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
DtSR Episode 706 - Practical AppSec for the AI Vulnpocalypse
TL;DR: How are organizations like the Motley Fool handling AppSec right now ? How are companies building sustainable, measurable, and resilient software security programs, even as AI looms overhead? Catch Paolo del Mundo , Director of Application Security at the Motley Fool , and hear his insights on how he and his team make it work. YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/s6z-OytApF0 Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
DtSR Episode 705 - Idiocracy or Star Trek
TL;DR: Howard Holton's back for part 2 of this 2-part special on the cybersecurity market, procurement's role, innovation, and now with 100% more AI discussion (drink up). Will it be Idiocracy? Or Star Trek? I know what I think. YouTube video (still sorry for the crap quality): https://youtube.com/live/q15xAwcPur8 Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
DtSR Episode 704 - Market Saturation, Innovation and Procurement
TL;DR: Buckle up. Howard Holton, CEO of GigaOm , joins for a 2-part special on the cybersecurity market, innovation, market saturation, and more. What an absolute blast of a podcast. YouTube video (apologies for the crap quality): https://youtube.com/live/q15xAwcPur8 Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
DtSR Episode 703 - The Myth and Reality of Mythos
TL;DR: Returning guest Gadi Evron joins the crew to talk about the latest bomb dropped by Anthropic - "Mythos". Allegedly, this model could bring about the vulnerability apocalypse, or something. Let's dive into it. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/RxY0Zj2UtLw Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
DtSR Episode 702 - Trust Issues with Trusted Advisors
TL;DR: Do you have a trusting relationship with your cyber VAR, reseller, or integrator? Most of us don't, and that's because the erosion of trust has been ongoing for the last decade. So when Josh Jones , Chris Roche , and Yonesy Nunez get together to work on a problem, you know it's worth your time to listen. On this episode, we dive into how we got here, how bad the problem is - and most importantly, what we can do about it. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/0umF7Bv3ra4 Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
DtSR Episode 701 - Adrian Sanabria AI Cant Replace Jobs
TL;DR: Starting off the 700 series is Adrian Sanabria , long-time analyst, and industry insider. Adrian's SubStack post ( https://substack.com/home/post/p-189699798 ) makes an interesting distinction between 'work' and 'tasks'; then he goes on to explain how AI will apply. Fascinating conversation recorded live from Zero Trust World, 2026 sponsored by ThreatLocker. YouTube Video: <shortly available> Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
DtSR Episode 700 - An Unreal Milestone
TL;DR: THANK YOU. I can't believe I'm dropping episode 700. It's been a journey since September 2011 - so many amazing and unbelievable guests, conversations, and life lessons. So much incredible content that ages like fine wine, thank you to my friends James Jardine and Jim Tiller for doing this thing. Thank you to all of YOU for listening, sharing, and rating us. This is the industry's premier podcast for all things related to our profession. Here's to another 700. YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/bUnz763Iq90 Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
DtSR Episode 699 - Marcus Hutchins Hot Takes and AI
TL;DR: As I continue to post content recorded in Orlando at Zero Trust World 2026, I bring you a live recorded episode with Marcus Hutchins. It's an interesting discussion that is no doubt polarizing, but no less interesting. Enjoy! We are ONE EPISODE away from 700, thanks for being along for the ride! YouTube Video: (coming shortly) Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
DtSR Episode 698 - Leadership in a High Stakes CISO Role
TL;DR: This week's guest is Alex Hutton - who has been leading security teams in high-stakes organizations for years and is bringing his experience to you. We discuss leadership, risk, and several leadership topics you'll want to take notes on. YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/FRBbnWVyO_Q Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
DtSR Episode 697 - The Precarious Evolution of the CISO Role
TL;DR: On this episode of the pod, G. Mark Hardy joins Jim, James, and Rafal to talk about the precarious evolution of the role of the CISO. We even delve into the definition and purpose of risk , and find some there, there. YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/_gpV4XilToc Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHq LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/ X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast
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