The Science and Art of Open Water Swimming explores what it really takes to swim well and safely, in open water. Hosted by endurance swimming coach and sport scientist Grant Landers, the podcast brings together swimmer stories, coaching insights, and evidence-based science to unpack performance, preparation, and decision-making in unpredictable environments. Each episode features conversations with open water swimmers, triathletes, coaches, and researchers, covering topics such as training alongside work and family life, adapting to conditions, managing uncertainty, and learning from both success and setbacks. The podcast is informed by Grant’s work coaching endurance swimmers and triathletes, as well as his research at the University of Western Australia, but it’s intended for the broader open water swimming community. Whether you’re preparing for your first open water event or refining your performance at the endurance end of the sport, this is where swimmers, science, and the sea converge .
Open water swimming in Western Australia continues to grow, attracting everyone from first-time ocean swimmers to elite athletes competing on the world stage. In this episode, I speak with Ben Roberts, Manager of Events and Partnerships at Swimming WA, about the evolution of the Swimming WA Open Water Series, now entering its twentieth season. We discuss the factors driving participation growth, how the series caters for swimmers of all ages and abilities, and the role open water swimming can play in building confidence, community and lifelong involvement in the sport. Ben also shares his own journey from elite pool swimmer to managing Australia's largest open water swimming series, along with his perspective on the opportunities and challenges facing open water swimming in Western Australia. In this episode we discuss: Ben's swimming journey and transition into sports administration The history and growth of the Swimming WA Open Water Series Why open water swimming is becoming increasingly popular in WA Participation trends across different age groups Creating opportunities for beginners through to elite athletes The importance of offering a range of event distances Open water swimming as a tool for retention and lifelong participation Regional events and expanding opportunities beyond Perth The pathway from pool swimming to high-performance open water competition The impact of hosting Australian Open Water Championships in WA The upcoming 3 km Knockout format and future innovations What the future of open water swimming in Western Australia might look like Mentioned in this episode Swimming WA Open Water Series https://www.openwaterswimming.com.au/ Swimming WA https://wa.swimming.org.au/ Swimming WA Open Water Series Facebook https://www.facebook.com/OWSSeries Swimming WA Open Water Series Instagram https://www.instagram.com/owsseries/ Enjoyed this episode? If you found this conversation valuable, share it with a training partner or someone in your swimming or triathlon community. You can also follow The Science and Art of Open Water Swimming on Facebook and Instagram for more episodes, insights and updates. https://www.instagram.com/scienceandartofows/ (@scienceandartofows) This interview was recorded on Whadjuk Noongar Boodjar. I acknowledge the Noongar people as the Traditional Custodians of these lands and waters and pay my respects to Elders past and present.
What does endurance sport give us beyond fitness and performance? In this episode, I speak with Jordina Quain, an endurance swimmer, Ironman athlete, sexologist, educator and PhD researcher exploring how exercise shapes women's sexuality and sense of self. Jordi recently completed her first solo Port to Pub crossing to Rottnest Island after overcoming significant health challenges, using open water swimming as both a comeback goal and a pathway back to confidence, capability and connection. Our conversation explores the deeper reasons people are drawn to endurance sport, including belonging, identity, purpose and what Jordi describes as the feeling of mattering. We discuss how exercise can influence confidence, relationships and body image, why some important aspects of women's experiences in sport remain under-discussed, and what her research is beginning to reveal about the connections between physical, mental and sexual wellbeing. We also reflect on the role of community in achieving ambitious goals, the power of language in shaping our experiences, and why open water swimming continues to draw us back to the ocean. In this episode we discuss: Jordi's journey into open water swimming and endurance sport Recovering from serious health challenges and finding a new goal Completing a solo Port to Pub crossing Community, belonging and support in endurance sport Confidence, capability and identity through challenge Women's experiences of exercise, body image and wellbeing Sexuality, relationships and sport The importance of language and framing The Mary Oliver quote that guided Jordi's Port to Pub swim What keeps drawing Jordi back to the ocean Connect with Jordina Instagram: @the_sporty_sexologist https://www.instagram.com/the_sporty_sexologist/ LinkedIn: Jordina Quain https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordina-quain-8a800b169/ Enjoyed this episode? If you found this conversation valuable, share it with a training partner or someone in your swimming or triathlon community. You can also follow The Science and Art of Open Water Swimming on Facebook and Instagram for more episodes, insights and updates. Instagram: @scienceandartofows This interview was recorded on Whadjuk Noongar Boodjar. I acknowledge the Noongar people as the Traditional Custodians of these lands and waters and pay my respects to Elders past and present.
What does great preparation actually look like? In this episode, I sit down with Dr Sacha Fulton, Accredited Sports Scientist, athlete preparation specialist, founder of Peak Preparation and a two-time Rottnest Channel solo swimmer, to explore how athletes can build the behaviours, routines and adaptability needed to perform when conditions don't go to plan. Drawing on her experiences in elite sport, her work with Olympic and Paralympic athletes, and her own journey through endurance sport and open water swimming, Sacha shares why preparation is about far more than simply accumulating training kilometres. We discuss: Why training performance and competition performance are not the same thing The role of preparation in managing uncertainty and pressure How adaptability can be developed through training Pool fitness versus open-water readiness Why open water swimmers should prepare for changing conditions, not perfect conditions The danger of becoming too reliant on numbers and metrics What separates elite athletes from recreational athletes The importance of consistency, recovery and behaviour change Why calmness on the start line is often a reflection of preparation Whether you're preparing for your first open water swim, a Rottnest Channel crossing, or simply looking to become a more resilient and adaptable athlete, this episode offers practical insights from someone who has spent a career helping athletes perform at their best. Links 🌐 Peak Preparation: https://www.peakpreparation.com.au/ 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/peakpreparation/ 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-sacha-fulton/ If you enjoyed this episode, please consider subscribing, leaving a review, or sharing it with a friend or training partner. This interview was recorded on Whadjuk Noongar Boodjar. I acknowledge the Noongar people as the Traditional Custodians of these lands and waters and pay my respects to Elders past and present.
In part two of my conversation with Adam O'Byrne, we explore his move from marathon swimming into the world of ice swimming. Adam discusses cold-water adaptation, preparing for an Ice Mile, the physiological and psychological differences between marathon swimming and ice swimming, and how his background as a paramedic influences his approach to safety and risk. We also talk about earning the Frosted Triple Crown, becoming an Iron Iceman, balancing endurance sport with family and career, and why some of the most important training sessions are the ones that prepare you for when things don't go according to plan. A thoughtful discussion about challenge, preparation and what Adam calls "training for the moments" Enjoyed this episode? If you found this conversation valuable, share it with a training partner or someone in your swimming or triathlon community. You can also follow The Science and Art of Open Water Swimming on Facebook and Instagram for more episodes, insights and updates. https://www.instagram.com/scienceandartofows/ (@scienceandartofows) This interview was recorded on Whadjuk Noongar Boodjar. I acknowledge the Noongar people as the Traditional Custodians of these lands and waters and pay my respects to Elders past and present.
Adam O'Byrne's endurance sport journey spans Ironman triathlon, multiple Rottnest Channel crossings and the Triple Crown of Open Water Swimming. In this first part of our conversation, Adam reflects on his progression from AFL football and paramedic shift work into Ironman racing, qualifying for Kona and eventually discovering marathon swimming. We discuss his first solo Rottnest crossing, the lessons learned from a winter double crossing, the importance of crew and community, and what it took to complete the English Channel, Catalina Channel and Manhattan Island swims. Along the way, Adam shares insights on preparation, resilience, swimming through the night and how endurance sport has evolved alongside family life and career. This is part one of a two-part conversation with Adam O'Byrne. Enjoyed this episode? If you found this conversation valuable, share it with a training partner or someone in your swimming or triathlon community. You can also follow The Science and Art of Open Water Swimming on Facebook and Instagram for more episodes, insights and updates. https://www.instagram.com/scienceandartofows/ (@scienceandartofows) This interview was recorded on Whadjuk Noongar Boodjar. I acknowledge the Noongar people as the Traditional Custodians of these lands and waters and pay my respects to Elders past and present.
In this episode, Grant sits down with Dr Jen Walsh, a sleep scientist at the University of Western Australia, for a practical and grounded conversation about sleep — not as an optimisation strategy, but as a fundamental part of everyday life. Together, they explore how sleep works, why it matters, and how it fits into the realities of early mornings, work, family demands, and imperfect routines. The discussion covers key concepts such as circadian rhythms, sleep pressure, how much sleep we actually need, and what happens when we don’t get enough. They also unpack common questions around wearables, naps, caffeine and alcohol, early training sessions, and whether a poor night’s sleep before a swim or run really matters. Rather than chasing perfection, this conversation focuses on helping listeners better understand their sleep and make more informed, realistic decisions within the lives they actually live. check out Jen's work here: https://research-repository.uwa.edu.au/en/persons/jen-walsh/ or connect with her on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/jen-walsh/ Enjoyed this episode? If you found this conversation valuable, share it with a training partner or someone in your swimming or triathlon community. You can also follow The Science and Art of Open Water Swimming on Facebook and Instagram for more episodes, insights and updates. https://www.instagram.com/scienceandartofows/ (@scienceandartofows) This interview was recorded on Whadjuk Noongar Boodjar. I acknowledge the Noongar people as the Traditional Custodians of these lands and waters and pay my respects to Elders past and present.
In this episode, Grant speaks with Dr Terry Griffiths, ocean engineer, long-distance swimmer and recent finisher of the Australian Triple Crown of open water swimming. Terry’s journey into the water hasn’t been about chasing podiums but about curiosity, persistence and a desire to better understand the ocean. From his early experiences around the water through to completing three very different ultra-distance swims across river, coastline and channel environments, this conversation explores what it means to take on big challenges in a thoughtful and deliberate way. Drawing on his background in ocean engineering, Terry shares how he approaches waves, currents and conditions - not just as obstacles but as systems to be understood and worked with. Along the way, he reflects on preparation, problem-solving, the importance of a support team and what he continues to learn about himself through long swims. The conversation also looks ahead to a future English Channel attempt and the questions Terry is still seeking to answer in the lead-up. This is an episode about learning, adapting and discovering what’s possible - one swim at a time. Enjoyed this episode? If you found this conversation valuable, share it with a training partner or someone in your swimming or triathlon community. You can also follow The Science and Art of Open Water Swimming on Facebook and Instagram for more episodes, insights and updates. https://www.instagram.com/scienceandartofows/ (@scienceandartofows) This interview was recorded on Whadjuk Noongar Boodjar. I acknowledge the Noongar people as the Traditional Custodians of these lands and waters and pay my respects to Elders past and present.
In this episode, Grant sits down with high-performance triathlon coach Warwick Dalziel to explore the evolving role of the swim in elite draft-legal racing. Drawing on over 20 years of coaching experience — from junior development pathways through to Olympic and Commonwealth success — Warwick shares how the swim has shifted from a point of separation to a high-speed, highly skilled entry into the race. With tighter margins than ever before, performance now hinges not just on speed, but on positioning, adaptability, and the ability to execute under pressure from the very first stroke. The conversation explores: How the swim has changed over the last two decades Why the margins are tighter — and what that means for athletes The increasing importance of skill, positioning, and race dynamics How coaching approaches have evolved, including the use of data and technology What to look for in developing athletes And where the swim is heading next in elite competition Whether you’re a triathlete, open water swimmer, or coach, this episode offers valuable insights into how modern racing is being shaped — and what it takes to stay in the race. Connect with Warwick Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WazSquad Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/warwickdalziel/ Enjoyed this episode? If you found this conversation valuable, share it with a training partner or someone in your swimming or triathlon community. You can also follow The Science and Art of Open Water Swimming on Facebook and Instagram for more episodes, insights and updates. https://www.instagram.com/scienceandartofows/ (@scienceandartofows) This interview was recorded on Whadjuk Noongar Boodjar. I acknowledge the Noongar people as the Traditional Custodians of these lands and waters and pay my respects to Elders past and present.
From Rottnest to Celtman—adapting to cold water, managing effort, and learning to race in extreme conditions. In this episode, I’m joined by Duncan Kinnear, an endurance athlete whose journey spans the Rottnest Channel Swim, Ironman racing, and the unique demands of Celtman in Scotland. We explore how different environments fundamentally change the experience of open water swimming—from warm, long-duration swims to short, intense exposure in cold water. Duncan shares his insights on managing cold shock, pacing under stress, and the realities of moving from simply completing events to racing them effectively. We also discuss wetsuit choices, perception of effort in extreme conditions, and the lessons learned from competing at the pointy end of one of the world’s most iconic extreme triathlons. Beyond performance, this conversation touches on balancing training with work and family life, and how perspectives on endurance sport can evolve over time. Links & Resources 🌊 Celtman Extreme Triathlon https://cxtri.com/ 🎧 Podcast mentioned: Triathlon Mockery (Tom Oosterdijk and guests) 📱 Follow the podcast: https://www.instagram.com/scienceandartofows/ (@scienceandartofows) This interview was recorded on Whadjuk Noongar Boodjar. I acknowledge the Noongar people as the Traditional Custodians of these lands and waters and pay my respects to Elders past and present.
🟢 New to the podcast? Start here. This episode brings together what actually matters in open water swimming. Over the past six months, this podcast has explored open water swimming through the voices of swimmers, coaches, scientists and practitioners. In this episode, we step back and reflect. What actually matters when you’re out in the water - when conditions change, plans break down and things don’t go to plan? Drawing on insights from across previous conversations, this episode brings together the key ideas that keep emerging - from adapting to unpredictable conditions, to mental resilience, fuelling, technique and understanding your own physiology. Because open water swimming isn’t just about how you prepare - it’s about how you respond. If you’ve been listening along, this is a chance to reflect on your own experience too. 👉 What stood out to you? 👉 What would you like to hear more about next? Thanks to all the guests who’ve shared their perspectives so far - and to everyone listening. If this episode resonates, follow the podcast - the next set of episodes will build on these ideas in more depth. Follow along on Instagram or Facebook and share your own experience from the episodes. https://www.instagram.com/scienceandartofows/ (@scienceandartofows) This interview was recorded on Whadjuk Noongar Boodjar. I acknowledge the Noongar people as the Traditional Custodians of these lands and waters and pay my respects to Elders past and present.
What makes good swimming technique actually hold up in open water? In this episode, Grant speaks with swim coach, entrepreneur and Effortless Swimming founder Brenton Ford about the gap between pool swimming and the realities of open water. From stroke mechanics and breathing patterns to racing strategy, mindset and lifelong improvement, Brenton shares insights drawn from nearly two decades of coaching swimmers of all levels — from beginners to professionals. The conversation explores why “perfect” pool technique doesn’t always translate to rough conditions, how swimmers can adapt without overthinking, and what separates athletes who continue improving from those who stay stuck chasing endless fixes. Brenton also reflects on qualifying for Open Water Nationals later in life, the evolution of his own coaching philosophy, and what “effortless” swimming really means. Topics include: Translating pool technique into open water Stroke rate, sighting and adapting to conditions Breathing patterns and the “galloping” stroke Why swimmers often overthink technique Coaching adult swimmers and long-term improvement VO₂ training sets and open water preparation Drafting, racing tactics and open water skills Strength, mobility and improving after 40 The balance between the science and art of swimming Whether you’re training for your first ocean swim, chasing performance gains, or simply trying to enjoy swimming more, this episode offers practical ideas and thoughtful perspectives for open water swimmers of all levels. You can learn more about Brenton and Effortless Swimming at Effortless Swimming and find additional coaching content on the Effortless Swimming YouTube channel . Follow the podcast on Facebook and Instagram for episode updates and future conversations — and if you enjoyed the episode, consider sharing it with a training partner or leaving a rating or review to help others discover the show. This interview was recorded on Whadjuk Noongar Boodjar. I acknowledge the Noongar people as the Traditional Custodians of these lands and waters and pay my respects to Elders past and present.
In this episode, I’m joined by Mel Tantrum, one of Australia’s most experienced swimming coaches, with a career spanning open water, high performance and now para swimming at the national level. Mel reflects on her journey from swimmer to coach, the experiences that shaped her coaching philosophy and the lessons she wishes she had known earlier in her own swimming career. We explore the unique demands of open water racing, including decision-making, race skills, pack positioning and preparing athletes for unpredictable environments. The conversation also dives into athlete development, coaching across different pathways and how Mel’s experiences leading both Australian open water and para swimming programs have influenced the way she thinks about performance, leadership and creating environments where athletes can thrive. We also finish with a few lighter questions around favourite swim sets, coaching habits and what great swimmers tend to do differently. Whether you’re an open water swimmer, coach, or simply interested in high-performance sport, there’s plenty of insight in this conversation. If you enjoyed the episode, feel free to share it with a training partner, coach or fellow swimmer and consider leaving a rating or review on your podcast platform - it really helps more people discover the show. For additional updates you can follow the podcast on Facebook and Instagram. This interview was recorded on Whadjuk Noongar Boodjar. I acknowledge the Noongar people as the Traditional Custodians of these lands and waters and pay my respects to Elders past and present.
In this episode, Grant speaks with Dave Budge, one of Western Australia’s most influential figures in triathlon and mass participation sport, about how water safety, risk management and event delivery have evolved over the past three decades. As a Life Member of Triathlon WA and Race Director for more than 200 triathlons, along with major open water swims including the Busselton Jetty Swim and the Rottnest Channel Swim, Dave brings a unique, experience‑based perspective on what it takes to safely deliver events at scale. The conversation explores how water safety has changed over time, the increasing role of technology and data in risk assessment. we talk about how decisions around starts, formats and cancellations are made when balancing athlete safety with participant experience. Dave also reflects on lessons learned from near‑misses, evolving expectations and the pressure of decision‑making under real‑world constraints. Beyond logistics and safety, the episode touches on inclusion, women’s participation and the broader impact of mass participation events -not just on athletes, but on communities and the sport itself. This is a reflective, behind‑the‑scenes look at the complexity of delivering safe, fair, and memorable open water and triathlon events — and what three decades of experience can teach us about the evolution of mass participation sport. You can find out more about the events Dave runs at https://www.theeventteam.com.au/ This interview was recorded on Whadjuk Noongar Boodjar. I acknowledge the Noongar people as the Traditional Custodians of these lands and waters and pay my respects to Elders past and present.
In this episode, Grant speaks with Dina Levačić, an elite marathon swimmer, Ocean’s Seven finisher and emerging researcher, about what years of extreme open water swimming can teach us about health, risk and adaptation. Dina reflects on the lived experience of channel swimming: how pain, fatigue, cold and uncertainty become normalised over time; the role of support crews and community knowledge in managing risk; and why recovery is as much cognitive and emotional as it is physical. Drawing on her transition into research, Dina also shares why she believes the voices of experienced swimmers are crucial for improving education, safety and long‑term wellbeing in open water swimming. This is a thoughtful conversation about learning through experience, being attentive to limits, and using insight, not bravado, to stay in the sport for the long term. Learn more about Dina: 🌐 Website: https://dinalevacic.com 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dinalevacic_swim/ This interview was recorded on Whadjuk Noongar Boodjar. I acknowledge the Noongar people as the Traditional Custodians of these lands and waters and pay my respects to Elders past and present.
In this episode of The Science and Art of Open Water Swimming, I’m joined by recently retired professional triathlete and coach Kate Bevilaqua to explore the role of swimming in non‑drafting long‑course triathlon. With the Busselton 100 marking the close of the WA triathlon season, this conversation looks at how athletes should think about the swim not as a standalone effort, but as the first decision of a long race day. Kate reflects on her own career across Ironman, 70.3 and Ultraman, including openly discussing swimming as her relative weakness, and how that shaped her approach to pacing, mindset and race‑day decision‑making. We discuss what defines a good swim in long‑course racing, common mistakes athletes make early in the swim, warm‑up and start strategies, navigation, equipment choices, transition habits, and how swim preparation influences performance later on the bike and run. Kate also shares insights from her coaching, including how age‑group athletes often underestimate the true cost of the swim. This is a thoughtful, practical conversation about swimming with intent — not to win the swim, but to set up the rest of the race. Kate coaches through GK Endurance: www.gkendurance.com This interview was recorded on Whadjuk Noongar Boodjar. I acknowledge the Noongar people as the Traditional Custodians of these lands and waters and pay my respects to Elders past and present.
In this episode, Grant is joined by Vicki Delves to explore what it really takes to help people feel confident, capable and supported as they begin their journey into open water swimming. Drawing on her experience coaching beginners and working closely with multisport athletes, Vicki shares how she helps swimmers translate fundamental skills into confidence in real‑world environments. The conversation covers common fears and barriers faced by newcomers, the role of structured progression, and how thoughtful coaching can create safe, welcoming pathways into open water - whether swimmers are there for wellbeing, community, or as part of a broader triathlon journey. This episode will resonate with swimmers who are new to open water, coaches supporting mixed‑ability groups and anyone interested in how skill development, care, and connection underpin long‑term confidence in the water. Links mentioned in this episode: Women’s Academy of Triathlon (Facebook): https://www.facebook.com/womensacademyoftriathlon/ Perkins Plunge: https://www.perkinsplunge.org.au/ This interview was recorded on Whadjuk Noongar Boodjar. I acknowledge the Noongar people as the Traditional Custodians of this land and pay my respects to Elders past and present.
This episode was originally recorded for Dr Kate Baldwin’s podcast, The Distance Dr: In Practice, and is republished here with permission. In this conversation, Kate and I unpack one of the most persistent ideas in endurance sport — that lighter is always faster. We explore where this belief comes from, how it has been reinforced through measurement culture and why it is often oversimplified or misapplied in practice. The discussion spans body composition, adipose tissue physiology, muscle mass, bone health, injury risk and the limitations of common measurement tools. We also challenge the notion of “race weight,” reframing the conversation around performance readiness - the capacity to train consistently, recover well, remain healthy and perform when it matters. While this conversation is relevant across endurance sport, there are particularly important implications for open water swimming, where buoyancy, insulation, thermoregulation, robustness and fatigue resistance all interact with the aquatic environment. Many of the assumptions carried over from land‑based sports simply don’t translate directly into the water. This episode will be relevant not only to open water swimmers, but also to triathletes, runners, cyclists, coaches and clinicians who work with endurance athletes and want to take a more contextual, health‑first approach to performance. You can find more of Kate’s work on her podcast, The Distance Dr: In Practice or via Instagram @thedistancedr Below is a link to the study discussing the use DXA to measure BMD in Rowers which has recently been published online https://doi.org/10.1123/ijsnem.2026-0012 And following a helpful nudge to expand beyond Facebook, the podcast can now also be found on Instagram at @scienceandartofows This interview was recorded across Whadjuk Noongar Boodjar and Wadandi Boodja. I acknowledge the Noongar people, including the Wadandi people of the South West, as the Traditional Custodians of these lands and pay my respects to Elders past and present.
In this episode, Grant speaks with engineer and open‑water swimmer Mariko Collins about how swimmers move in waves, and what those forces feel like in the body. Drawing on her research and her recent first solo Rottnest Channel crossing, Mariko reflects on adaptation, curiosity, and the psychological challenges that emerge when things start to unravel late in a long swim. This interview was recorded on Whadjuk Noongar Boodjar. I acknowledge the Noongar people as the Traditional Custodians of this land and pay my respects to Elders past and present
In this episode, I speak with Glenn Taylor, race director of the Lake Argyle Swim, about what it takes to create and safely deliver one of Australia’s most unique open water events. They explore freshwater swimming, reduced buoyancy, big‑lake conditions, risk management, and why Lake Argyle can behave more like an inland sea than a typical lake. For more information on the Lake Argyle Swim visit: www.lakeargyleswim.com And for more events hosted by Glenn in the Kimberly region of Western Australia, check out this site: www.fitevents.com.au This interview was recorded on Whadjuk Noongar Boodjar, with our guest joining from Miriwoong Country in the East Kimberley. I acknowledge the Traditional Custodians of these lands and water and pay my respects to Elders past and present
In this episode, I’m joined by Dr Kate Baldwin - a physiotherapist, sport scientist, former professional triathlete and Rottnest Channel solo swimmer. We explore injury in swimmers and endurance athletes, focusing on why injuries occur and how they can be prevented. Kate shares practical insights on common swimmer injuries, the role of strength training in endurance sport, and how athletes can better manage training load to stay healthy and consistent. We also discuss when swimmers should seek help from a physiotherapist, and the warning signs that shouldn’t be ignored. Along the way, Kate reflects on her own experience in endurance sport, her current work with athletes, and her podcast The DistanceDr In Practice. Follow Kate on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/thedistancedr/ This interview was recorded across Whadjuk Noongar Boodjar and Wadandi Boodja. I acknowledge the Noongar people, including the Wadandi people of the South West, as the Traditional Custodians of these lands and pay my respects to Elders past and present.
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