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Queerfully Made tackles faith, gender, sexuality, and the intersection of them all. Ex-evangelical leaders Aaron Kelly and Ben Nicholson, once church insiders, host raw stories from LGBTQ+ Christians, ex-Christians, pastors, ex-pastors and sharp experts. Closeted and scared? Healing from church wounds? An ally ready to stand up but needing insight? We’re here to unpack identity, reforge spirituality, and build a fierce, inclusive community. Subscribe today! Follow us at www.instagram.com/queerfully.made
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Follow Queerfully Made on Spotify so the next episode lands in your queue. Most conversion therapy doesn't look like therapy. Professor Tim Jones spent ten years proving it. Tim worked out he was gay in a university library, went looking for help, and spent a couple of years trying to be straight. Then he spent a decade researching what had happened to him and to thousands of other LGBTQIA+ Australians. His team's work found that the ordinary, everyday practices, the prayer meeting and the pastoral care chat and the pressure to marry someone of the opposite sex, did more damage than the extreme cases everyone pictures. All three of us at the table had been through a version of it. None of us had a name for it at the time. Professor Timothy Jones is a historian at La Trobe University and President of the Australian Queer Archives. He led the research behind Improving Spiritual Health Care for LGBTQA+ Australians: Beyond Conversion Practices . "You'll know a good church by its queer fruity people." Heads up: this episode talks about conversion practices, religious trauma and suicidality. Look after yourself. Find us on Instagram and TikTok @queerfully.made
Follow Queerfully Made on Spotify so the next episode lands in your queue. Aaron studied this man's textbook at Bible college. Twenty years later, Rev Dr David P. Gushee is on the podcast telling us about the dinner that changed everything. A man he had never met took him out, quoted Gushee's own book back at him, and told him he was being a bystander when it came to LGBTQ people. Gushee did not argue. He said the man was right. What came next was Changing Our Mind, the book that cost one of America's most widely read evangelical ethicists his place in the evangelical world. We talk about the harm he watched up close, why sexuality became the hill the church chose to die on, and where he is actually seeing things change. It ends with three answers we did not expect: what he would say to a young queer person sitting scared in an evangelical church, what he would say to that church's pastor, and what he would say to the pastor who already agrees but is too frightened to say so. "You don't have to do anything to be a bystander. You just keep standing by." Rev Dr David P. Gushee is Distinguished University Professor of Christian Ethics at Mercer University. His new book, Job in Exile: A Guide for Spiritual Refugees, is out this week with Orbis. Find him at davidpgushee.com. Content warning: this episode discusses suicide and religious trauma. Instagram and TikTok: @queerfully.made
He got death threats for a joke. He left the synagogue two days after his bar mitzvah. And he might be the warmest person to ever tell you religion is a control system. Aaron and Ben sit down with Reuben Kaye, cabaret superstar, comedian and drag artist, for the most provocation-forward conversation of the season. Reuben is unapologetically anti-institution, but underneath the edge is something that sounds a lot like this show: systems, not people. The ones caught inside are victims too. We get into the joke that broke the internet, the night he talked a man out of setting him on fire, and the difference between personal faith and the institutions built on top of it. As Reuben puts it: "be a good human. everything else is dressing on the salad." Follow Queerfully Made on Spotify so the next episode lands straight in your queue. Find us on Instagram, TikTok and YouTube @queerfully.made
You can leave church and still lose the community that came with it. This episode is about what comes after. In the final part of the ReMade series, Aaron and Ben talk about the very real grief of losing church community, and the equally real work of building something better in its place. They get into the difference between community and control, why you only really need about five good friends, and the four words (borrowed from Simon Sinek) that might change one of your friendships: do you have eight minutes? This is a hosts-only episode, no guest, just Aaron and Ben closing out the ReMade series (Rediscover, ReWilded, RePlanted). “it was never community we were scared of. it was control.” Instagram: @queerfully.made · TikTok: @queerfully.made · YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@queerfullymade follow queerfully made on spotify so the next episode lands in your queue
He trained for ten years to be a minister and thought he'd do it for life. Then Matt Glover backed marriage equality, and it cost him his church. Aaron and Ben sit down with Matt, a former Baptist minister who supported same-sex marriage years before the plebiscite and lost his role, his career, and a community for it. He'll correct you on one thing though: he wasn't fired, he resigned and walked away. And he says he'd go back to that room today and say thank you. It's a conversation about allyship that never felt like a stand, the difference between a job and a calling, and the friend named Finn who gently detonated everything Matt thought he knew. Matt is now a counsellor, and he shares what he sees most in his room today: spiritual abuse and deconstruction. As Matt puts it: "It's okay to not know things and just be kind." Follow Queerfully Made on Spotify so the next episode lands straight in your queue. Find us on Instagram, TikTok and YouTube @queerfully.made
what happens to your faith when you stop believing in a god of fear? reverend brandan robertson, the tiktok pastor and author of queer and christian , joins aaron and ben for one of the most hopeful conversations we've had. brandan grew up in maryland fundamentalism, got saved at 12, went through conversion therapy at moody bible institute, and was named in time magazine in 2015 before the evangelical world turned on him. he came out of it not bitter but freer. we talk about queering christianity, the stories nobody preached us growing up, and why the queer community is far more spiritual than the world assumes. as brandan puts it: "you walk into a queer club, reach your arm out, and you'll touch somebody with religious trauma." brandan is a pastor, author and phd candidate in new testament who now leads a small church in queens and helps thousands reclaim a faith built on love instead of punishment. follow queerfully made on spotify and help us get this message out. find us on instagram and tiktok @queerfully.made
Gaz and Jesse Dutlow used to lead worship together on a megachurch stage. Now they're leading standing ovations in musical theatre, with credits including the Sydney Opera House and Melbourne's professional theatre scene. This week, the sibling duo joins Aaron and Ben for a conversation about the overlap between worship performance and theatre, the institutional exclusion that pushed them both out of church leadership, and the quiet, separate ways they each found language for their non-binary identities, without telling each other until they compared notes. Gaz and Jesse Dutlow are siblings, former worship leaders, and professional musical theatre performers who've worked on stages from community theatre to the Sydney Opera House. “If you're going to resist anything, resist shame.” - Jesse Dutlow Follow Queerfully Made on Spotify so the next episode lands in your queue. Find us on Instagram and TikTok @queerfully.made, and on YouTube for full episodes.
Follow Queerfully Made on Spotify so Part 3, RePlanted, lands in your queue the second it drops. What happens to your faith when you leave the fence behind? In Part 2 of the ReMade Series, Aaron and Ben get into the messy, non-linear journey of spiritual life after the church. Not the tidy version. The real one. They talk through the fear of losing certainty, Dr. Lynn Moresi's poem on what to keep and what to let go, breath work, tarot cards, Lady Gaga as a Hillsong conference, and the one question Aaron uses as a compass through all of it: 'does this expand love in my life?' "The biggest fence is the one that we put around God." Aaron Kelly This is Part 2 of the ReMade Series. If you haven't listened to Part 1 (Rediscover Your Identity, Episode 5), go back and start there. Instagram: @queerfully.made | queerfullymade.com If anything in this episode brought something up, please reach out to qualified support. Switchboard (queer helpline): 1800 184 527. Lifeline: 13 11 14.
Follow Queerfully Made on Spotify so the next episode lands in your queue. The AFL and the church. Two completely different worlds. The same closet. Mitch Brown became the first openly bisexual player in AFL history in August 2025. In this conversation we talk about what the AFL and the church have in common. The same unwritten rules, the same rewards for performing straightness, the same “get back in your box” the moment you start speaking up. He also talks about the anger he's still managing, letting go of his partner Lou's hand in queer spaces to prove he belongs, and what he'd say to the 10-year-old version of himself who was hiding everything. “There are people that will accept you even if this community will drop you. It's not always this little world that you're in. There's others out there.” — Mitch Brown Mitch Brown is a former AFL player and advocate for queer inclusion in sport. Find Queerfully Made on YouTube, Instagram @queerfully.made, TikTok @queerfully.made, and queerfullymade.com
Becky Bauer planted Melbourne Inclusive Church 15 years ago. They've been affirming from day one. Before anyone was offering them buildings. Before the mainstream church was having this conversation. In this episode, Aaron and Ben sit down with Becky to hear the full story: from being adopted into a family that ministered to hippies in Michigan in the 70s, to finding an affirming church at a Pride event, to planting MIC in Melbourne, surviving early hostility from both the church and the queer community, and now helping other congregations navigate their journeys toward affirmation. She also reflects on why Rocky Roggio's 1946 work is such a pivotal tool for those conversations. "The road to change is paved with love." , Becky Bauer Becky Bauer is the founding pastor of Melbourne Inclusive Church. Find MIC at michurch.org.au. Follow Queerfully Made on Spotify so the next episode lands in your queue. Instagram / TikTok: @queerfully.made
In 1946, 22 men sat on a Bible translation committee and made a decision. A 21-year-old seminary student challenged them in writing. They admitted he had a point. But the word was already in print. And then it spread. Sharon "Rocky" Roggio is the director and producer of 1946: The Mistranslation That Shifted a Culture, the documentary that spent a decade investigating how the word "homosexual" ended up in the Bible, what it's done to LGBTQ+ people of faith, and what the archival record actually shows. Rocky grew up in the church as the daughter of a pastor. She's a lesbian woman. She made a film to find common ground with her non-affirming parents through the Bible. She ended up changing how people around the world read it.This is a conversation about history, faith, family, and what happens when you ask the question nobody thought to ask. PLEASE NOTE: We apologise in advance for the audio quality dropping about two-thirds of the way through. We had a system glitch and thankfully Sharon has recorded audio on her end so nothing was lost! https://www.1946themovie.com/ Queerfully Made is the podcast where we explore the intersection of faith, sexuality, and gender. Hosted by Aaron Kelly and Ben Nicholson. Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@queerfullymade/podcasts Listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts or anywhere you get your podcastsInstagram: @queerfully.made TikTok: @queerfully.made #queerfullymade #lgbtqchristian #queerfaith #affirmingchurch #1946movie
Coming out is the doorway. What happens on the other side is the work no one warned you about. Part 1 of the ReMade series. Aaron and Ben on how to rediscover your authentic identity after the church handed you one for years. The framework that runs the whole conversation, the friends who saw them first, the calling vs. direction reframe, and the grief that doesn't care about logic. "Exposure shapes belief. Belief shapes identity." ⚠️ Discusses religious trauma, conversion practices, and grief. Find us at queerfullymade.com and @queerfully.made on Instagram and TikTok.
Healing is a church word. Recovery is the truth. Sam Sellers and Elise Herde, co-founders of the Religious Trauma Collective, join Aaron and Ben to unpack what it actually takes to come out the other side of high-control religion. We get into why "just be better, not bitter" is rubbish advice, why anger is information rather than sin, and why your nervous system still flinches in relationships long after you've left the building. Plus the unhinged crossover between Pentecostal services and Tupperware parties, the one question that reveals whether you're in a high-control group, and a full-blown debate about whether "community" should be cancelled. Sam and Elise are therapists, ex-evangelicals, and the founders of the resource that didn't exist when we needed it. The Religious Trauma Collective is rebranding to Religious Trauma and Cults to broaden the scope beyond religious systems. Their 2026 Online Event runs 19th to 21st of June with 18 sessions including Dr Hillary McBride, Tia Levings, and David Farrier. Event: https://www.thereligioustraumacollective.com/annual-event Tickets: https://religious-trauma-collective-event-2026.heysummit.com/ queerfullymade.com
What if one of the biggest voices in Australian Pentecostal theology told you the church got it wrong?Dr. Lynn Moresi is not your average theologian. She has a Doctorate in Theology, lectures at Bible college and university, and has preached from some of the most influential Pentecostal stages in Australia. She is also Aaron's former Bible college lecturer. And she is here, on this podcast, telling you that you can be queer and Christian and there is nothing to fix.That takes guts. Because coming on this podcast alone is going to cost her.We get into all of it. The moment things shifted for her theologically. Why it is so hard for people to become allies when they have nothing personally at stake. How she actually has those conversations with people mid-journey. The rigid black and white evangelical mindset that keeps people trapped. And why the deeper you go in theology the more that rigidity just falls apart.She also breaks down what a Jesus hermeneutic means in plain language. And when you hold LGBTQ+ identity up to it? All you find is love. Every single time.This episode is for the ones who were handed a Bible and told there was only one way to read it. The ones still secretly Googling at 2am hoping someone with credentials will just say it clearly. Here she is. She said it.🔗 Learn more about Dr. Lynn Moresi: https://lynnmoresi.com/📲 Follow Queerfully Made:Instagram: https://instagram.com/queerfully.madeTikTok: https://tiktok.com/@queerfully.madeYouTube: https://youtube.com/@queerfullymade🎙️ Listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts and everywhere you get podcasts.Queerfully Made is hosted by Aaron Kelly and Ben Nicholson, two ex-evangelical leaders having conversations at the intersection of faith, sexuality & gender.
In Season 1, Pastor Marcy Paynter from Gateway Church told us about a young man in her congregation. He'd grown up in their youth group. He wanted to lead. The leadership team gave her the unenviable job of telling him he could serve, but only if he never acted on his sexuality. No boyfriend. No physical relationship. No future. She told him over dinner. She never saw him again. Years later, a friend sent Marcy a podcast link. She listened to a young man telling his story anonymously. Halfway through, she realised it was him. She cried. She and her co-pastor Beth Bolmers began the long work of becoming an affirming church. Today Gateway is fully affirming, embracing and celebrating LGBTQ+ people in every part of their community. This is that young man's side of the story.Sam Clement-Remy reached out to us after hearing his own story told back to him in our Season 1 episode with Marcy and Beth. He had no idea Gateway had become affirming. He had no idea his story was the catalyst. In this episode he sits down with Aaron and Ben to share his version of events. The dinner. The ultimatum. The years that followed. The grief of losing a community he loved. The faith that has evolved and shifted into something that looks different now, but is still very much his. And what it felt like to discover, by accident, that the church that asked him to choose had eventually changed its mind. This is the story of someone who didn't just survive the intersection. He's the reason an entire church had to rethink which side of it they were standing on. You can't be what you can't see. So we keep showing it. Subscribe and come back every week. We've got more like this coming. ABOUT THIS EPISODE Guest: Sam Clement-Remy Hosts: Aaron Kelly and Ben Nicholson Recorded in Naarm, Melbourne. LISTEN BACK TO SEASON 1 The original episode with Pastor Marcy Paynter and Pastor Beth Bolmers from Gateway Church is on our channel. If you haven't heard it yet, watch this episode first, then go back to that one. The two together are the full story. FIND US Website: queerfullymade.com Instagram: @queerfullymade TikTok: @queerfullymade LISTEN - Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and everywhere else you get your podcasts. ON RADIOHeard on Joy 94.9. Tuesdays at 10pm #QueerfullyMade #LGBTQChristian #ExEvangelical #FaithAndSexuality #QueerFaith #GatewayChurch #AffirmingChurch #DeconstructionPodcast #LGBTQPodcast #QueerTheology #ChurchHurt #SamClementRemy
So what now? Season 1 of Queerfully Made platformed the stories. Ex-pastors, drag performers, advocates, affirming pastors, mental health professionals. People who had arrived at the intersection of faith, sexuality and gender, and lived to tell us what they found there. But the question we kept circling back to was the one we couldn't answer in twelve episodes. What happens AFTER the intersection?In this Season 2 premiere, Aaron Kelly and Ben Nicholson sit down, just the two of them, to reckon with that question. They unpack the heart of Season 2. They debrief Pride season. And they preview what's coming this season. A few things to know going in. → This season we're not just telling stories of how people got to the intersection. We're asking how people make it through with as little damage as possible, and what happens on the streets that lead away from it. → The end goal here isn't to convert anyone. We're not interested in ultimatums. If you're queer and you've kept your faith, this is for you. If you're queer and you've let it go, this is for you. If you're somewhere in the messy middle, this is for you. → If you're an ally, a parent, a pastor, a friend trying to figure out how to actually show up, pull up a chair. The conversation needs you in it. You can't be what you can't see. So we're going to keep showing it.Subscribe, hit the bell, and come back every week. We've got people booked who are going to wreck you in the best way.
It’s the Queerfully Made season finale. Aaron and Ben sit down, no guests, just us, looking back on every raw conversation, every tear, every breakthrough from this year. We share the moments that wrecked us (in the best way), the lessons that actually stuck, and the questions you keep asking. We’re taking December and January off to rest, breathe, and come back sharper. New episodes return late February 2026. Until then: you belong, you’re not broken, and your story is still being written.Thank you for trusting us with yours this year. See you in 2026 ❤️ Catch up on every episode now on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or YouTube.Drop your favourite moment from this season in the comments, we read them all. #queerfullymade #lgbtq #lgbtqchristian #lesbian #gay #bi #trans #queer #christian #lgbtqinclusion #church #faithandsexuality #exvangelical #affirmingfaith #queerfaith #religioustrauma #seasonfinale #podcastlove
In this episode of Queerfully Made Podcast, hosts Aaron Kelly and Ben Nicholson welcome Andrew Sloan, a Sydney-based psychotherapist, leadership coach, and author whose work blends over a decade of clinical practice with insights on the human mind, behaviour, and nervous system. Known for guiding individuals and teams through disconnection and overwhelm, Andrew draws from his own experiences in Hillsong Church's worship team, where he was sidelined from a major album recording after confiding his same-sex attraction to a pastor. He shares his path through conversion therapy and the relentless efforts to change himself, leading to a full coming out and a fresh start. Now a sought-after coach for world-leading brands, Andrew applies his expertise to empower others in reclaiming self-leadership. His new book, "Why Things Feel F*cked: Your Practical Guide to Getting Unstuck", offers a roadmap through modern life's chaos, using tools like somatic awareness and narrative therapy to navigate the "zones" of safety, challenge, and growth. In this episode, Andrew gives a sneak peek into its philosophy, showing how, in a world that feels broken, we can find peace, rest, and joy by reconnecting with our inner compass. #queerfullymade #lgbtq #lgbtqchristian #conversiontherapy #faithandsexuality #lesbian #gay #bi #trans #queer #christian #lgbtqinclusion #church #whythingsfeelfucked #therapy #gettingbetter #religioustrauma #podcast #queerfaith #healingjourney
Trans Christian's aren't detracting from the divine or the church. In fact, they're revealing the true, boundless heart of the divine to the church. In this episode of Queerfully Made, Aaron & Ben sit down with Steff Fenton, a pastor, writer, and speaker who just happens to also be trans. As author of the 2025 book Gender Expansive Faith: How Trans Lives Are Illuminating the Divine, Transforming Feminism and Ending Christian Patriarchy, Steff draws from their journey leaving the Anglican Church after coming out to explore how gender diversity challenges binary norms, integrates trans perspectives into feminist theology, and dismantles patriarchal control in faith spaces. Steff is also the co-founder of New City Church in Glebe, Sydney, an affirming community reimagining faith with queer joy at its core. Steff shares insights on creating equitable worship, the prophetic power of genderqueer, trans and non-binary people, practical steps for churches to embrace justice over judgment, and hope for individuals who are scared to embrace their true self. This conversation is a bold invitation to a faith that's fluid, loving, and free from hierarchies. How has gender expansiveness reshaped your view of the divine? Share below! #queerfullymade #lgbtq #lgbtqchristian #lesbian #gay #bisexual #trans #queer #christian #lgbtqinclusion #church #faithandsexuality #genderexpansivefaith #queertheology #podcast #transfaith #feminismandfaith
In this episode of Queerfully Made, hosts Aaron Kelly and Ben Nicholson sit down with Sam Sellers, a queer woman from NSW and ex-Brethren Church member. Sam is the co-founder of the Religious Trauma Collective, owner of Anchored Counselling Services, and host of the Beyond the Surface podcast. This powerful conversation dives into the raw reality of religious trauma, unpacking what it is, how it lingers beyond just “shitty experiences,” and practical ways to navigate the healing journey. Sam shares her story of coming out as queer after falling in love with a woman, a moment that changed everything. After a life embedded in the Brethren community, she saw them as family, until they disowned her, judged her as a threat to the church, and cast her out. She opens up about the pain of that rejection and how it has fueled her work in the religious trauma space, helping others find freedom through counselling and advocacy. Aaron and Ben explore with Sam why religious trauma hits so hard, how it shapes identity, and what steps can lead to recovery. Queerfully Made continues to amplify voices at the faith-LGBTQIA+ intersection, showing that progress is possible. Trigger Warning: This episode discusses religious trauma and rejection, which may be heavy for some listeners. If you’re struggling, contact Lifeline Australia, 24/7, at 13 11 14 or text 0477 13 11 14. What’s your experience with religious trauma? Share in the comments! #queerfullymade #lgbtq #lgbtqchristian #lesbian #gay #bi #trans #queer #christian #lgbtqinclusion #church #faithandsexuality #samsellers #episodenine #religioustrauma #queerfaith #healingjourney #podcastlaunch #beyondthesurface #anchoredcounselling #lgbtqsupport
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