What the UFO? We hold public conversations about the emerging science of Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena. We talk about what UFO/UAP might be, with a focus on how we should move forward. What research should we conduct? What institutions should we build? What laws should we pass? Should we try to make contact? How can each of us help? If you're a researcher, experiencer or ufologist and you'd like to share your story or get the word out about your work, please find us on X @WTUFOshow. If you're enjoying our show and you'd like to help us keep making it, please support us at patreon.com/WTUFO
Christopher Noël is a writer, thinker, and retired professor. He holds a Masters in philosophy and teaches and edits creative writing. He's fascinated by the paranormal, and holds the view that UAP are manifestations of some as yet unexplained conscious activity. Christopher's website: https://www.thenearnessofyou.net/ Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join
Ron James ~ Accidental Truth Filmmaker, MUFON Media Relations Director
44 min
Ron is a documentary filmmaker with two features about UFOs: Accidental Truth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4Tp_Q_jyNI Accidental Truth: Next https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASCppLdK13s We discuss his experiences researching UFO phenomena and engaging with scientists and government officials to get better information. He shares his views of the questions we need to start confronting, and what we need to change to move forward together. If you like WTUFO, support us on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Or join the WTUFO YouTube Membership https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Music by John Hubbell https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Thank you for watching!
Christian Stepien ~ CTO of NUFORC
48 min
Christian Stepien is the Chief Technical Officer of the National UFO Reporting Center. We talk about NUFORC's operations, their extensive data collection, the kinds of sightings they frequently process, and other topics. Check them out to explore their sighting catalog or report your own experience: https://nuforc.org/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees | Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ | Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join
Matthew Tuttle ~ Capital Fund Manager
41 min
Matthew Tuttle started $UFOD, an investment fund built to capitalize on potential revalations about secret advanced technology. We talk about his investment strategy, the nature of the secret tech we may have developed, and his intuitions about the legacy research program. If you like WTUFO, support us on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Music by John Hubbell https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/
Andrew Fraknoi ~ SETI Board Member, Astronomy Professor
56 min
Andrew and I discuss the progress and future of SETI, the challenge of global communication with nonhuman intelligence, and the pursuit of UAP data. Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Join WTUFO on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join
Jonathan Miller ~ Entrepreneur, MIT Research Affiliate
1 hr 4 min
Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Jonathan Miller works in frontier tech, research and development. He vounteers for Americans for Safe Aerospace, and ran a course at MIT called Confronting Unknowns. We discuss the challenge of considering UAP and means and methods for getting better information about this tricky subject. Jonathan's Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tough-tech-today-with-meyen-and-miller/id1527322834 Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join
Rhys Dalton Morgan (UFOzzie)
1 hr 3 min
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Tim Burke ~ Writer, Director, Producer
49 min
Send a text Tim's Site: www.theageofcommunication.com Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow
Daniel Otis ~ Investigative Journalist
51 min
Send a text Daniel Otis is an investigative journalist who covers UAP for Canadian and international news organizations. He works primarily with direct reports and documents, often retrieved by legal information requests. Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow
Jordan Flowers ~ Disclosure Foundation Executive Director
50 min
Send a text Jordan leads the nonprofit Disclosure Foundation, a nonprofit supporting policy, legal and education actions to advance official disclosure and coordinate societal response thereto. He comes to this role after a 20-year career in corporate finance—he's a sharp tack and a good guy. We're honored to host him and learn about his work. Hope you enjoy! Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow
5 Resoultions For UFOlogy
11 min
Send a text Cultivate Converations Fund and Organize Science Hold Government Accountable Educate and Encourage the Media Publicly Contact Nonhuman Intelligences Happy New Year, everyone! Wishing you a fun, successful 2026. Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow
What's Going On With UFOs ~ Best Guess
35 min
Send a text A fun one for the end of 2025—this is my honest best guess about what's going on with UFOs. All the details from their origin to the time they've been here to their overarching agenda. Just pure, unfiltered, wild-eyed speculation. Hope you enjoy! Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow
3 Likely Disclosure Scenarios
25 min
Send a text What's actually going to happen? I've thought hard about it and this is what I think is likely. 1. A Presidential Address 2. An NHI Reveal 3. A Gradual Realization In this fun, punchy episode, I tease out these possibilities and drive toward what I think we should be doing to prepare for and encourage them. Happy holidays everyone. I wish you and your loved ones all a peaceful, healthy season. <3 Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees | Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ | Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow
UFO Media Criticism
32 min
Send a text The main engines of American news media do a terrible job covering UFOs. What should they resolve to improve? Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow
How Should We Think About Disclosure?
36 min
Send a text I'd like to start a conversation here and invite you to participate. Please meet us on our YouTube Community page to engage in the discussion: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO/community Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow
What Should We Do About UFOs?
54 min
Send a text I've been making WTUFO since the summer of 2024, so I take an episode here to share what I think is happening with UFOs, what my show is for, and what we should all do about this wild situation. Thank you for listening! Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join The bullet points I cover in this episode are: 1. What Is Happening? a) NHI on Earth b) Military Secrets c) Emerging Physics 2. What Is WTUFO For? a) Normalizing the UFO Conversation b) Exploring Different Perspectives c) Finding Action Steps 3. What Should We Do? a) Wake People Up b) Fund More Science c) Engage Publicly With NHI I'd love to hear what you think! Come chime in on YouTube or at the show's Patreon Page. Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow
Brenda Denzler ~ Jinn, UFOs and Religious Trickster Creatures
1 hr 9 min
Send a text Brenda is a mostly retired writer, editor, and sometime speaker currently living in rural North Carolina. She received her Ph.D. in religious studies from Duke University in 1998 and is the author of The Lure of the Edge: Scientific Passions, Religious Beliefs, and the Pursuit of UFOs , (University of California Press, 2001), a couple of invited chapters in scholarly books on religion and the UFO sub-culture, and a few articles on UFOs and religion. Her current interest is in mining humanity’s folkloric and religious traditions to better understand the provenance and nature of “the gods,” the gentry, elementals, jinn, angels/demons, and similar entities in terms that treat them as something other than fictions with no more substance than mirrors into which we look to regulate, console, or understand ourselves as human beings. Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow
Dr. Jim Madden ~ Thinking Carefully About UAP
58 min
Send a text Dr. James Madden teaches philosophy at Benedictine College. He's written three books, including "Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World." We discuss how to think carefully about UAP, the probabilities of their origins, the tension between caution and productive investigation, what it would take to prove UAP are nonhuman, and the possibilities of contact. Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Join WTUFO on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Join WTUFO on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Jim's Papers: https://www.jdmadden.com/philosophy-course Jim's Substack: https://jdmadden.substack.com/ Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow
Karin Austin ~ Director of the Center for the Impossible at Rice University, Executive Director of the John Mack Institute
1 hr 38 min
Send a text Karin Austin leads both the Center for the Impossible at Rice University and the John Mack Institute. In the 1990's, Karin worked with the late Harvard psychiatrist, John E. Mack, M.D., contributing her own experiences to his research into the abduction phenomenon, and eventually transitioning into the role of his personal assistant. After Dr. Mack's death in 2004, Karin was pivotal in helping Dr. Mack's family close his estate, an effort that eventually led to collaborating with Wilson Research Center's Head of Special Collections, Amanda Focke, and Rice University's Dr. Jeff Kripal, to transfer and digitize a major donation of Dr. Mack's phenomenon-related materials. The archives of the Center for the Impossible have grown to include collections from more than a dozen UFO researchers. Karin is leading the effort to digitize these materials, preserving them for future investigation and making them increasingly accessible for scientifically rigorous data analysis. The specific nature of this work makes up the bulk of our conversation. We also discuss Karin's views of the phenomenon and her perspective on how humanity should proceed as we steadily learn more about it. Show Links: Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Center for the Impossible Records Collection: https://archives.library.rice.edu/repositories/2/classifications/25?&page=1 Archives of the Impossible Home: https://impossiblearchives.rice.edu/ John Mack Institute Home: http://johnemackinstitute.org/ Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow
Dr. Stephen Bruehl ~ Coauthor of Transient Papers
46 min
Send a text Dr. Stephen Bruehl cowrote two blockbuster papers on transient points of light in 1950s astronomy pictures. He explains to us why these findings are unlikely to be anything other than reflective physical objects in geosynchronous orbit. Join WTUFO: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Multiple Transients Paper: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1538-3873/ae0afe Nuclear Association Paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-025-21620-3 Press Release: https://www.su.se/english/news/unexpected-patterns-in-historical-astronomical-observations-1.855042 Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow
