Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson
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Welcome to "Do This, NOT That!" - your ultimate destination for mastering marketing insights. Join us as we dive deep into the world of marketing, unlocking powerful strategies and game-changing tactics that will revolutionize your approach. ㅤ Our podcast offers actionable takeaways and practical advice to supercharge your marketing game. Explore the power of decision-making, the art of nurturing contacts, and the influence of loss aversion in marketing. Discover how anchoring and positive psychology can elevate your campaigns to new heights. ㅤ Unravel the secrets of understanding your audience's minds and tapping into behavioral science principles. We guide you on a journey to marketing mastery, empowering you to make the right decisions and drive remarkable results. ㅤ Tune in to "Do This, NOT That!" to unlock your full marketing potential, stay ahead in the competitive landscape, and embark on this thrilling marketing adventure with us!
Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Check out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Follow Daniel on LinkedIn and check out The Marketing Millennials podcast for sharp, no-fluff marketing insights. Subscribe to Ari Murray’s newsletter at gotomillions.co for sharp, actionable marketing insights. ㅤ Everybody quietly wrote off Facebook years ago, and Jay Schwedelson and Daniel Murray are here to tell you that was a very expensive mistake. Cheapest webinar registrations of any paid channel, the highest show up rate, and a groups play that works when every Slack community you ever joined went dead. Also settled on air: whether it is normal to eat dinner at the airport in the city where you actually live. ㅤ Best Moments: (02:13) Facebook, the forgotten platform, and why tuning it out is costing you (02:42) The underpriced attention sitting on company pages and Reels shared over from Instagram (03:29) Why Facebook Groups are the one community play that still actually works (04:38) What Meta quietly launching a standalone Forum app tells you about where the energy is going (05:43) The dad hat brand running low spend ads to grow a group instead of a landing page (06:56) The lowest cost per registration and the highest show up rate across every channel they buy
Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Check out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Follow Jay Papasan on Instagram at @jaypapasan and pick up his book, The ONE Thing . ㅤ Most people shelve The ONE Thing under productivity, which Jay Papasan says is exactly the wrong shelf. He tells Jay Schwedelson that the real unlock is purpose, that most of our optimizing is just a pre-loaded excuse for failure, and that the people who look impressively busy are usually hiding from something. There is also a pet ostrich named Elda, which is not a metaphor. ㅤ Best Moments: (02:24) Why the optimize-everything lifestyle is finally collapsing under its own weight (04:41) The uncomfortable truth behind saying you work hard for your family (05:47) A 30-minute core values exercise that becomes a compass for every big decision (09:45) The real test of your priorities is whether your calendar actually reflects them (14:45) Busy people are usually hiding from the exact thing they are afraid of (15:39) When multitasking is harmless and when it absolutely is not
Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Check out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Big shoutout to our sponsor, Knak ! Marketers, you know the pain… You spend hours on a campaign, and then it gets stuck in review cycles and barely looks like what you started with. Knak makes it simple. Design emails and landing pages, collaborate, and launch - all in one place. No tool hopping, no messy handoffs, with AI built in to help you move faster. See how it all works, get started at knak.com/demo ㅤ 41% of long-form LinkedIn posts are now fully AI-generated, which explains why your feed feels like the same three posts wearing different hats. Jay Schwedelson makes the case that the way out is content people can literally steal from you, and then gets into why Target is handing weekly challenges to fans with 500 followers and what that same idea looks like in a boring, regulated B2B world. There is also a firm, slightly personal position taken against a certain underwear campaign. ㅤ Best Moments: (00:30) New Pangram data showing 41% of long-form LinkedIn content now carries some form of AI generation (01:19) Why stealable content like templates, prompts, screenshots and checklists is pulling 40% higher engagement (02:24) What happens to open rates when you put the word "steal" at the front of a subject line (03:52) How Club Target turned 500-follower shoppers into a 15,000-creator marketing engine with weekly challenges (05:00) Building your own customer creator club when you are not Target and your industry is boring (07:23) Meta testing a TikTok-style Facebook feed and why every video you make should already be vertical
Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Check out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Follow Daniel on LinkedIn and check out The Marketing Millennials podcast for sharp, no-fluff marketing insights. Subscribe to Ari Murray’s newsletter at gotomillions.co for sharp, actionable marketing insights. ㅤ You have a file sitting inside LinkedIn right now with every connection, every DM and every comment you have ever made, and it takes about four clicks to get it. Jay Schwedelson walks through what happens when you drop that export into Claude alongside your CRM data and tell it to think like a chief revenue officer, while Daniel Murray shares the prompt he uses to pull clips, hooks and subject lines out of podcast transcripts he already recorded months ago. The whole thing wraps with the two of them pulling up their Uber passenger ratings on air, which does not go the way either of them planned. ㅤ Best Moments: (00:11) The Uber small talk question nobody wants to answer honestly (02:06) Why AirPods are the polite way to opt out of any conversation (02:49) Daniel's prompt for turning old podcast transcripts into clips, hooks and subject lines (05:00) Feeding your full LinkedIn history into Claude and asking it to think like a CRO (06:14) The exact desktop click path to export your LinkedIn connection data (07:51) If your tool has no API connection, it might be time to find a different tool (08:41) A live Uber score showdown, including where to find your one-star count
Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Check out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Follow Stu McLaren on Instagram at @stumclaren , and head to his website Stu.me , where he points listeners to find everything he is working on. ㅤ Everyone slaps the word "community" on things now, but almost nobody builds one that survives past 90 days. Stu McLaren has been quietly building membership businesses since before that was a buzzword, and he sits down with Jay Schwedelson to explain why the whole game has flipped from handing people information to actually walking them to the finish line. The part worth your commute is a one-message test that tells you whether anyone will pay before you build a single thing. ㅤ Best Moments: (02:59) Why most communities turn into ghost towns after 90 days (04:32) The North Star question every membership needs to answer for its members (07:33) The founding member launch: one message that proves demand before you build anything (12:23) How AI flipped memberships from access to acceleration (17:42) Love me or hate me, there's no money in the middle (19:50) Why Stu is now completely evangelical about Japan
Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Check out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ MASSIVE thank you to our Sponsor, CallRail! CallRail is the AI-powered lead intelligence platform that helps marketers prove exactly what’s driving results. With CallRail, you can connect every call, text, chat, and form submission directly to the campaign that generated it so you finally know what’s working and where to double down. Plus, with built-in AI conversation intelligence, CallRail analyzes your customer conversations, captures leads 24/7, and gives you deeper insights into what your prospects actually care about. If you’re tired of guessing about your marketing ROI and want real data behind your campaigns, CallRail has you covered. Start a Free Trial Here: https://www.callrail.com/dothis ㅤ Turns out the AI tools everyone swears by might be quietly working against you - one big study found they added hours to campaign workflows instead of trimming them. Jay Schwedelson digs into that gut-check alongside fresh LinkedIn data on what the algorithm is actually rewarding right now, plus a warning about why those handy free AI tiers you've built your process around probably won't stay free. It wraps with the usual detour into whatever he's been watching and reading lately. ㅤ Best Moments: (00:42) LinkedIn's own playbook for the algorithm, post two to three times a week and stay between 200 and 300 words (01:40) The Metricool study putting carousels at 11 times more interactions than single images on company pages (02:11) Why ending a post with a question quietly earns 77 percent more comments (03:35) The AI plot twist, Meta's creative tools adding over three hours to the campaign cycle instead of saving any (04:21) Adam Mosseri's warning that the free AI tiers everyone leans on are on their way out (06:30) A full-throated case against IMAX screen-shaming and for the freedom to watch anything on your phone
Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Check out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Somewhere between a rant about weird breakfast clubs and the great Taco Bell salad panic, there's a legit masterclass on subject lines hiding in here. Jay Schwedelson and Daniel Murray swap the moves that actually lift open rates, including the stuff no AI tool would ever hand you, like leading with ellipses, skipping capital letters, and writing subject lines so long they get cut off on purpose. It's half tactical, half unhinged, which is exactly what a bathroom break should be. ㅤ Follow Daniel on LinkedIn and check out The Marketing Millennials podcast for sharp, no-fluff marketing insights. Subscribe to Ari Murray’s newsletter at gotomillions.co for sharp, actionable marketing insights. ㅤ Best Moments: (00:44) Jay confesses the real problem with pickleball isn't the sport, it's having to talk to the same people every week. (02:22) Daniel's go-to subject line arsenal, from emojis to oddly specific numbers like 7, 11, or 6.5. (03:45) The Claude versus human split test, and why the human still usually comes out on top. (04:32) The case for absurdly long subject lines that fill the whole line and get cut off on purpose. (05:08) Starting a subject line with ellipses and dropping every capital letter to dodge the AI look. (06:49) Telling someone exactly who they are as the easiest engagement trick in marketing.
Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Check out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Connect with Hailey McDonald on LinkedIn to jam on social or anything marketing. Grab Sprout Social's new Social Intelligence Report . And for fun, follow her cat's golf-themed account, Cats Gone Golfing , on Instagram. ㅤ Everyone's drowning in dashboards yet trusting the numbers less than ever, which is a strange place for marketing to end up. Hailey McDonald , VP of Revenue Marketing at Sprout Social, makes the case to Jay Schwedelson that social is the last corner of the internet where real people still say what they actually think, which is exactly why flooding it with AI slop quietly wrecks the trust you're trying to build. Stick around for the "Customer Zero" idea, a smart take on whether job interviews should ask about your following, and yes, a cat with a golf Instagram. ㅤ Best Moments: (02:45) Death by dashboard, more information than we've ever had and less faith in any of it (04:23) Why social may be the last authentic, unprompted signal left online (05:01) Where the AI volume play stops working and starts eroding trust (10:55) "Customer Zero" and why employee advocacy starts with culture, not a Slack post (13:17) Should a job interview really ask about your personal social following now (18:00) Social intelligence in the wild, catching churn risk before it hits the P&L
Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Check out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Big shoutout to our sponsor, Knak ! Marketers, you know the pain… You spend hours on a campaign, and then it gets stuck in review cycles and barely looks like what you started with. Knak makes it simple. Design emails and landing pages, collaborate, and launch - all in one place. No tool hopping, no messy handoffs, with AI built in to help you move faster. See how it all works, get started at knak.com/demo ㅤ Calling something a webinar might be the most expensive word choice in your marketing calendar, and there's fresh data on exactly how much it costs you. Jay Schwedelson walks through a Google Search Console update almost nobody is talking about, a naming test that lifted registrations by double digits, and where ChatGPT ads are quietly headed next. Plus a genuine crisis of conscience about sitting through a three-hour movie. ㅤ Best Moments: (00:16) Google Search Console can now report on individual social posts, and almost nobody noticed (02:02) The exact Gemini prompt to get your social posts surfacing in Google search results (02:44) Why the word "webinar" is a registration killer, backed by 1,000 event pages (03:47) "First look," "behind the scenes," "insider session," and the lift each one delivers (04:30) OpenAI's job postings hint at video and native ads, so ChatGPT is about to become a billboard (06:07) The three-hour movie rule, the popcorn problem, and a very personal theater grievance
Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Check out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ You would not expect a debate about short sleeves and flip-flops to bury a legitimately useful marketing lesson, but here we are. After Jay Schwedelson shows up in short sleeves for once and gets roasted for it, he and Daniel Murray get into the intent signals most teams walk right past, the tiny stuff like which CTA someone clicks, whether they hit reply, or if they left an emoji in a webinar. Turns out those throwaway behaviors are quietly telling you who is actually about to buy. ㅤ Follow Daniel on LinkedIn and check out The Marketing Millennials podcast for sharp, no-fluff marketing insights. Subscribe to Ari Murray’s newsletter at gotomillions.co for sharp, actionable marketing insights. ㅤ Best Moments: (02:35) Not every click is equal, and a hidden honeypot link quietly filters out the bots padding your numbers (03:14) Track clicks by where they sit in the email, because the people scrolling to the bottom are reading every wordㅤ (03:50) Separating ICP account clicks from the rest shows which topics your target accounts actually care about (04:31) The people tapping your lower CTA reach pipeline faster and turn into higher lifetime value customers (04:53) A webinar emoji reaction or a throwaway hello in your chatbot is a louder intent signal than most opens (05:53) Ask an easy reply question, then let AI turn those replies into first party data that also boosts deliverability
Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Check out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Connect with Russ Harp and follow the launch of Russ Harp Media. He is open to conversations about digital marketing work, career advice, or the foster care and adoption journey. LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/russharpmedia Email: russharpmedia@gmail.com Instagram: @russharpmedia Website: russharpmedia.com ㅤ Getting laid off with two young kids at home, an adoption date on the calendar, and a family counting on you is the kind of thing that flattens most people. Russ Harp did close to the opposite, turning a birthday post into 130-plus real conversations by being honest about what happened and asking people what they actually thought he was good at. Jay Schwedelson found him after that post stopped the scroll, and what comes out of it is less a job-hunt story than a working example of choosing gratitude and vulnerability over "woe is me." ㅤ Best Moments: (05:31) The layoff took out 40 people, more than half the marketing team, one day before his sons' naming ceremony. (06:01) Two days of prayer and drumming at a Prairie Band ceremony pull his identity out of his job title. (07:48) Instead of collecting happy-birthday messages, he asks his whole network what he is actually good at. (08:29) One honest post becomes 130-plus replies, coffees, and calls, relationships instead of resumes. (11:04) The line from Jay's book that lit the fuse, the regret of not starting beats failure. (16:53) His two foster sons, adopted young, redefine what resilience actually looks like.
Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Check out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ MASSIVE thank you to our Sponsor, CallRail! CallRail is the AI-powered lead intelligence platform that helps marketers prove exactly what’s driving results. With CallRail, you can connect every call, text, chat, and form submission directly to the campaign that generated it so you finally know what’s working and where to double down. Plus, with built-in AI conversation intelligence, CallRail analyzes your customer conversations, captures leads 24/7, and gives you deeper insights into what your prospects actually care about. If you’re tired of guessing about your marketing ROI and want real data behind your campaigns, CallRail has you covered. Start a Free Trial Here: https://www.callrail.com/dothis ㅤ France and Italy are about to require explicit permission before you can even tell whether someone opened your email, and plenty of people are already writing the open rate's obituary. Jay Schwedelson thinks that funeral is premature, and he breaks down why a deeply flawed metric can still be a genuinely useful one, plus what all of this actually means (and doesn't mean) for marketers in the US. There's also a Reddit ad update worth stealing and a weirdly great story about where "jump the shark" came from. ㅤ Best Moments: (00:38) A real question worth asking - could tracking whether someone opened your email actually become illegal? (02:59) Why the open rate is a directional signal, not a real number, and why that distinction matters. (04:09) The opt-in loophole that quietly keeps open tracking alive even after consent rules kick in. (05:20) Why none of this is landing in the US anytime soon, and the CAN-SPAM gap behind it. (06:38) Reddit just added split testing to its ad units, and almost nobody is paying attention. (09:42) The oddly satisfying true story behind the phrase "jump the shark."
Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Check out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Somewhere between confessions about theme-park vomit and stolen fries, Jay Schwedelson and Daniel Murray land on the number that's quietly running their whole marketing budget: blended CAC. It's the metric Daniel can't stop bringing up, and here he finally breaks down why it matters more than watching any single channel in isolation. Stick around past the carnival talk, because the real answer to "should I panic about Reddit's rising cost per acquisition" is in here. ㅤ Follow Daniel on LinkedIn and check out The Marketing Millennials podcast for sharp, no-fluff marketing insights. Subscribe to Ari Murray’s newsletter at gotomillions.co for sharp, actionable marketing insights. ㅤ Best Moments: (01:07) Jay explains why he can't survive anything that spins in a circle (03:15) Jay calls out Daniel's favorite obsession: blended CAC (03:45) Daniel breaks down what blended CAC actually measures (04:33) Why attribution lies and makes channels like Meta and Google look better than they are (06:20) The case for tracking channels both blended and in silos (08:33) How to fold a brand new channel, like ChatGPT ads, into your blended CAC without skewing it
Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Check out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Most of the advice floating around about public speaking comes from people who are, ironically, painfully boring at it. Jay Schwedelson has done over 300 keynotes and landed on a set of habits that run against almost everything you've been coached to do, from ditching the memorized script to practicing with the TV blaring. Whether the room is a packed stage or four people on a Zoom, the same small moves are what actually keep people listening. ㅤ Best Moments: (01:30) The opener that quietly loses the room before you've even started (02:00) Two little words that tell people boredom is on the way (02:18) Why a memorized speech always sounds hollow, no matter how polished (03:10) Rehearse with the TV on, because silence is nothing like the real room (03:45) Put your best material in the first 90 seconds instead of saving it for the end (06:15) The pre-talk move with one or two people that quietly kills the nerves
Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Check out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Connect with Chris Cunningham on LinkedIn and on Instagram (@Cunningham ), or reach him directly at chris@clickup.com . He's happy to help anyone getting started with content or building on ClickUp. ㅤ Most B2B software gets sold with a webinar and two floating headshots on a LinkedIn promo. Chris Cunningham helped build ClickUp into a $4 billion company by doing the opposite, hiring actors by the day, making genuinely funny videos, and treating a project management tool like a consumer brand. He sat down with Jay Schwedelson to walk through the actual mechanics, from the scrappy month-one tests to mining follower data to land a meeting with McDonald's COO. ㅤ Best Moments: (02:46) The bet behind the whole strategy, that every company will soon have at least one in-house creator (04:02) The scrappy growth loop, run tiny tests, prove the signal, then go back for budget (05:45) The actor day-rate hack that gets you eight to ten videos for under a grand (08:30) Spotting McDonald's COO in the follower data, then shooting a video just for him (12:15) Why bloated, slow-shipping software is exactly what gets vibe-coded out of existence (16:31) Instagram's head says leave the barking dog in, messy video is what's winning reach
Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Check out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Big shoutout to our sponsor, Knak ! Marketers, you know the pain… You spend hours on a campaign, and then it gets stuck in review cycles and barely looks like what you started with. Knak makes it simple. Design emails and landing pages, collaborate, and launch - all in one place. No tool hopping, no messy handoffs, with AI built in to help you move faster. See how it all works, get started at knak.com/demo ㅤ Something quietly broke inside Google this week, and most marketers won't notice until their AI Overview traffic disappears from the dashboard. Jay Schwedelson walks through what changed, why over 90% of that traffic just went dark, and a free 5-minute trick using ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, Perplexity, and Grok to figure out exactly what your content should be built around. Stick around for the LinkedIn move everyone copied from Instagram, Kraft's genuinely clever ranch dressing play, and a deeply unserious ranking of the best July 4th movies ever made. ㅤ Best Moments: (00:50) Google stripped the tracking code, and over ninety percent of AI Overview traffic just went dark (03:01) Ask all five AI tools the same question to find what your content should actually be about (04:44) LinkedIn borrows collaborative posts from Instagram, and it is a bigger deal than it sounds (05:27) Kraft rolls out TSA-friendly ranch dressing for the World Cup crowd, smuggling it home (06:01) Polymarket gets caught paying creators to fake big-bet wins (07:43) Ranking the best July 4th movies, with a strong case for Jaws at number one
Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Check out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Ever wish you could hand your ad copy to David Ogilvy and get notes back? Daniel Murray and Jay Schwedelson turn that into something you can actually do, trading the two AI moves they each reach for when they want sharper work instead of a faster first draft. It's a quick one, with a detour into Jay's surprisingly committed strategy for never being spotted near a bathroom, but the tactics are the kind you'll try the same afternoon. ㅤ Follow Daniel on LinkedIn and check out The Marketing Millennials podcast for sharp, no-fluff marketing insights. Subscribe to Ari Murray’s newsletter at gotomillions.co for sharp, actionable marketing insights. ㅤ Best Moments: (02:27) Daniel has AI critique his copy through the principles of the ten best to ever do it, Sugarman and Ogilvy included. (03:35) Jay's take on why it works, the model has absorbed everything those experts ever published, so you get their real input. (04:52) The step most people skip, write it yourself first and let AI refine, or you just end up sounding like them. (05:22) Jay asks all five major LLMs for the top fifty questions buyers actually type in. (06:32) Find the four or five questions that overlap across every platform and you have your headline content. (07:28) Daniel layers in Reddit, Quora, and G2 to catch the pain points people post in public.
Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Check out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Listen to Kipp's podcast Marketing Against the Grain , and pre-order his new book with Kieran Flanagan, Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow . ㅤ Jay Schwedelson wanted Kipp Bodnar on the show since day one, and it's easy to hear why once the two of them get going on the one thing keeping marketers up at night: whether AI has quietly torched the playbook everyone spent fifteen years building. HubSpot's CMO makes the case that content isn't dead, it just has a brutally short shelf life now, and the marketers who win are the ones who treat originality and taste like the scarce resources they've become. Along the way they get into why the new robots reward writing for actual humans, what a real content engine looks like when you're starting from zero, and the reasoning behind Kipp's new book in a year when four million others got published. ㅤ Best Moments: (02:01) Why AI didn't kill content marketing but did break the old playbook and slash content's shelf life (04:16) The T-Swift theory of content, why being good isn't enough anymore and you have to be prolific too (05:56) Writing for the new robots, how AEO flips twenty years of SEO into a human-first game (08:48) Why Reddit, LinkedIn, and YouTube quietly became the sources AI search trusts most (10:53) The one content engine Kipp would build first if he were starting with nothing today (13:18) Why he wrote a book in the middle of the short-form video era, and who it's really for (16:17) The journalism-school lesson that beats a business degree, repetition doesn't ruin the prayer
Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Check out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ MASSIVE thank you to our Sponsor, CallRail! CallRail is the AI-powered lead intelligence platform that helps marketers prove exactly what’s driving results. With CallRail, you can connect every call, text, chat, and form submission directly to the campaign that generated it so you finally know what’s working and where to double down. Plus, with built-in AI conversation intelligence, CallRail analyzes your customer conversations, captures leads 24/7, and gives you deeper insights into what your prospects actually care about. If you’re tired of guessing about your marketing ROI and want real data behind your campaigns, CallRail has you covered. Start a Free Trial Here: https://www.callrail.com/dothis ㅤ Paying for an AI tool and quietly wondering whether you're getting what they promised? That nagging feeling just turned into a class action lawsuit, and Jay Schwedelson thinks it's the first of many in a world where nobody can actually measure what "usage" even means. He also makes a surprisingly convincing case for why dropping the work-email requirement on your forms is a win and not a leak, with detours through LinkedIn GIFs, a Netflix rom-com, and a bestseller list nobody saw coming. ㅤ Best Moments: (00:35) LinkedIn is rolling out GIFs in comments, and why that matters more than it sounds (02:45) The Claude Max buyer who expected 20X more usage and found he was getting closer to 6X (02:56) Why "am I actually getting the AI usage I'm paying for" is about to become a recurring legal fight (04:00) Year over year, 27% fewer companies are forcing a work email on their forms (04:54) The case for letting job seekers use a personal email, and why your brand wins when they get hired (08:16) "Stupider People Have Done It" lands at #87 on the USA Today list, with $130,000 raised for cancer research
Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Check out Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Connect with and follow Andy Frawley on LinkedIn , and learn more about Data Axle at data-axle.com . ㅤ Most people assume AI quietly solved the data quality problem for good. Andy Frawley , CEO of Data Axle, tells Jay Schwedelson the opposite is true: clean data matters more now, because a weak foundation just lets AI make bad calls faster. From there they get into why your B2B email list flops on Instagram, why direct mail is quietly thriving, and why Andy doubled his events budget after swearing them off. ㅤ Best Moments: (02:13) Why data quality is becoming a hotter topic, not a solved one, in the AI era (04:27) Data Axle still calls 25 million businesses a year to verify them by hand (07:51) How to match a B2B email list to consumer profiles so you can hit people on Instagram and CTV (10:42) Direct mail is far from dead, and even Amazon is leaning back in (12:52) Why a small, clean database beats a big, unreliable one every time (14:45) The skeptic who doubled his events budget once he forced an ROI story
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Steal the structure. Not the show.
Keep the useful structure, then change the audience, point of view, and voice until the idea is unmistakably yours.
