The Consult: Real FBI Profilers

Retired FBI Special Agent Kyle Vowinkel joins The Consult to discuss his more than 24-year career with the Bureau. Kyle is one of only five agents in FBI history to have served on both the Hostage Rescue Team and the Crisis Negotiation Unit. He discusses his involvement in the Boston Marathon bombing investigation and the 2013 hostage crisis in Alabama, known as the "Boy in the Bunker" case. Kyle also shares insights from his book, Shaping Chaos: Leadership Lessons Forged in the FBI's Most Dangerous Operations , which explores leadership, decision-making, and human behavior under pressure. For more information about Kyle and to pre-order his book, visit his website kylevowinkel.com . You can follow The Consult on social media: X/Twitter Instagram Facebook Join our Facebook fan page (created by fans for fans): UNSUBS Get The Consult Merch For additional information and resources, please visit our episode webpage: https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/160-shaping-chaos-a-conversation-with-kyle-vowinkel/ Music “Light in the Basement” by John Hanske. Listen to more of John’s music on Spotify . If you enjoyed this episode, consider supporting us on Patreon for early and ad-free episodes. Visit Patreon.com/theconsultpod to become a subscriber. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

On June 9, 2010, Umi Southworth was discovered beneath a box spring in a wooded area behind her Lexington, Kentucky home, the victim of a brutal assault. In the final part of our series, we examine the continued investigation by Lexington Police detectives, the evidence that shaped the direction of the case, and the developments that ultimately led to its resolution. Part 3 of 3. You can follow The Consult on social media: X/Twitter Instagram Facebook Join our Facebook fan page (created by fans for fans): UNSUBS Get The Consult Merch For additional information and resources, please visit our episode webpage: https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/159-the-murder-of-umi-southworth-part-3/ Music “Light in the Basement” by John Hanske. Listen to more of John’s music on Spotify . If you enjoyed this episode, consider supporting us on Patreon for early and ad-free episodes. Visit Patreon.com/theconsultpod to become a subscriber. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

In 2010, Umi Southworth was found brutally assaulted and concealed beneath a box spring in a wooded area behind her Lexington, Kentucky home. In this episode, we continue our examination of the crime scene and discuss Umi’s victimology. Part 2 of 3. You can follow The Consult on social media: X/Twitter Instagram Facebook Join our Facebook fan page (created by fans for fans): UNSUBS Get The Consult Merch For additional information and resources, please visit our episode webpage: https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/158-the-murder-of-umi-southworth-part-2/ Music “Light in the Basement” by John Hanske. Listen to more of John’s music on Spotify . If you enjoyed this episode, consider supporting us on Patreon for early and ad-free episodes. Visit Patreon.com/theconsultpod to become a subscriber. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

In 2010, Umi Southworth was found brutally assaulted and concealed beneath a box spring in a wooded area behind her Lexington, Kentucky home. The investigation would become particularly complicated when forensic evidence appeared difficult to reconcile with both the investigative findings and the behavior observed in the case. In Part 1 of 3, we walk through the timeline, examine the crime scene and physical evidence, and discuss what the scene may tell us about what happened to Umi. You can follow The Consult on social media: X/Twitter Instagram Facebook Join our Facebook fan page (created by fans for fans): UNSUBS Get The Consult Merch For additional information and resources, please visit our episode webpage: https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/157-the-murder-of-umi-southworth-part-1/ Music “Light in the Basement” by John Hanske. Listen to more of John’s music on Spotify . If you enjoyed this episode, consider supporting us on Patreon for early and ad-free episodes. Visit Patreon.com/theconsultpod to become a subscriber. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

In late September 1982, seven people in the Chicago area died after taking Extra-Strength Tylenol capsules that had been deliberately contaminated with cyanide. In Part 3, we continue our discussion of James Lewis, one of the main suspects, and conclude our analysis of the case. Part 3 of 3. You can follow The Consult on social media: X/Twitter Instagram Facebook Join our Facebook fan page (created by fans for fans): UNSUBS Get The Consult Merch For additional information and resources, please visit our episode webpage: https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/156-the-tylenol-murders-part-3/ Music “Light in the Basement” by John Hanske. Listen to more of John’s music on Spotify . If you enjoyed this episode, consider supporting us on Patreon for early and ad-free episodes. Visit Patreon.com/theconsultpod to become a subscriber. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

We continue our behavioral discussion of the Tylenol killer, including what the method, victim selection, and circumstances of the poisonings may tell us about the offender. We then turn to the investigation and begin examining the suspects who came to the attention of law enforcement. Part 2 of 3. You can follow The Consult on social media: X/Twitter Instagram Facebook Join our Facebook fan page (created by fans for fans): UNSUBS Get The Consult Merch For additional information and resources, please visit our episode webpage: https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/155-the-tylenol-murders-part-2/ Music “Light in the Basement” by John Hanske. Listen to more of John’s music on Spotify . If you enjoyed this episode, consider supporting us on Patreon for early and ad-free episodes. Visit Patreon.com/theconsultpod to become a subscriber. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

When Binghamton University student, Haley Anderson, stopped answering her friends’ texts, they knew something was very wrong. A subsequent search revealed Haley was dead in a mutual friend’s apartment. But this friend was nowhere to be found. An investigation would reveal a murder, a runaway to Nicaragua, and justice that would span two continents. You can listen to Campus Killings everywhere you listen to podcasts. To find out more about Campus Killings be sure to check out the show's home page . See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

In late September 1982, seven people in the Chicago area died after taking Extra-Strength Tylenol capsules that had been deliberately contaminated with cyanide. The deaths triggered a massive multiagency investigation, a nationwide recall, and changes to product packaging that remain with us today. In Part 1, we go over the timeline of the poisonings, examine how investigators discovered the connection between the deaths, and look at what they learned about where and how the Tylenol may have been contaminated. We also begin our discussion of possible motivation, including what the choice of Tylenol itself may tell us about the offender. Part 1 of 3. You can follow The Consult on social media: X/Twitter Instagram Facebook Join our Facebook fan page (created by fans for fans): UNSUBS Get The Consult Merch For additional information and resources, please visit our episode webpage: https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/154-the-tylenol-murders-part-1/ Music “Light in the Basement” by John Hanske. Listen to more of John’s music on Spotify . If you enjoyed this episode, consider supporting us on Patreon for early and ad-free episodes. Visit Patreon.com/theconsultpod to become a subscriber. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

In Part 3 of our analysis of the 1975 murder of Deborah “Debbie” Sue Williamson, cold case investigator Jen Bucholtz and investigative journalist George Jared join us once again. We finish our discussion of Debbie’s victimology and then bring together what we’ve learned from the crime scene, timeline, and victimology to develop a behavioral profile of the person responsible for her murder. Finally, Jen and George ask us some remaining questions about the case and how our analysis might be used to help evaluate and prioritize potential suspects in this nearly 51-year-old investigation. For more information about Debbie's case and other cases Jennifer and George are working on, please visit: breakthecase.org You can follow The Consult on social media: X/Twitter Instagram Facebook Join our Facebook fan page (created by fans for fans): UNSUBS Get The Consult Merch For additional information and resources, please visit our episode webpage: https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/153-the-unsolved-murder-of-debbie-sue-williamson-part-3/ Music “Light in the Basement” by John Hanske. Listen to more of John’s music on Spotify . If you enjoyed this episode, consider supporting us on Patreon for early and ad-free episodes. Visit Patreon.com/theconsultpod to become a subscriber. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

Single mom Eileen Zarlenga disappeared from her home on a cold night in March 1988, taking her coat, boots, and purse, but leaving behind her three-year-old daughter. Eileen remained missing for 4 days, and when she was found, it was not good news. The question of who stabbed the young mother over and over and left her body in a remote patch of woods in Mahoning County, OH would haunt generations of investigators. When DNA was detected on sexual assault kit swabs, it did not get investigators any closer to an answer. And when IGG came along and was used to identify Eileen’s attacker, real answers remained elusive. Eileen’s case is closed, but you won’t see the end of this one coming. Head over now to DNA ID on Apple Podcasts. or wherever you listen to podcasts to hear episode 205 in its entirety. You can also visit the DNA ID homepage . See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

In Part 2 of our series on the 1975 murder of Deborah “Debbie” Sue Williamson, we continue our analysis of the crime scene and discuss what the dynamics of the attack may tell us about the offender. We also begin victimology of Debbie, looking more closely at her life, relationships, and circumstances leading up to her murder. Cold case investigator Jennifer Bucholtz and investigative journalist George Jared join us again for the discussion. For more information about Debbie's case and other cases Jennifer and George are working on, please visit: breakthecase.org You can follow The Consult on social media: X/Twitter Instagram Facebook Join our Facebook fan page (created by fans for fans): UNSUBS Get The Consult Merch For additional information and resources, please visit our episode webpage: https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/152-the-unsolved-murder-of-debbie-sue-williamson-part-2/ Music: “Light in the Basement” by John Hanske. Listen to more of John’s music on Spotify . If you enjoyed this episode, consider supporting us on Patreon for early and ad-free episodes. Visit Patreon.com/theconsultpod to become a subscriber. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

On August 24, 1975, 18-year-old Deborah “Debbie” Sue Williamson was murdered in the carport of the Lubbock, Texas, home she shared with her husband, Doug Williamson. In this episode, we begin our analysis of Debbie’s murder by examining the timeline and crime scene. Joining us for this series are cold case investigator Jennifer Bucholtz and investigative journalist George Jared. For more information about Debbie's case and other cases Jennifer and George are working on, please visit: breakthecase.org You can follow The Consult on social media: X/Twitter Instagram Facebook Join our Facebook fan page (created by fans for fans): UNSUBS Get The Consult Merch For additional information and resources, please visit our episode webpage: https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/151-the-unsolved-murder-of-debbie-sue-williamson-part-1/ Music “Light in the Basement” by John Hanske. Listen to more of John’s music on Spotify . If you enjoyed this episode, consider supporting us on Patreon for early and ad-free episodes. Visit Patreon.com/theconsultpod to become a subscriber. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

We continue our examination of Ghislaine Maxwell’s background, her relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, the role she played in his life and social world, and her involvement in the recruitment and abuse of minor girls. Part 2 of 2. For more information about Dr. Stein and her work, please visit her website: https://drsstein.com/evil-at-our-table/ Dr. Stein's book Evil at Our Table: Inside the Minds of the Monsters Who Live Among Us is available here . You can follow The Consult on social media: X/Twitter Instagram Facebook Join our Facebook fan page (created by fans for fans): UNSUBS Get The Consult Merch For additional information and resources, please visit our episode webpage: https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/150-profiling-ghislaine-maxwell-part-2/ Music “Light in the Basement” by John Hanske. Listen to more of John’s music on Spotify . If you enjoyed this episode, consider supporting us on Patreon for early and ad-free episodes. Visit Patreon.com/theconsultpod to become a subscriber. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

We examine Ghislaine Maxwell’s background, her relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, the role she played in his life and social world, and her involvement in the recruitment and abuse of minor girls. Part 1 of 2. For more information about Dr. Stein and her work, please visit her website: https://drsstein.com/evil-at-our-table/ Dr. Stein's book Evil at Our Table: Inside the Minds of the Monsters Who Live Among Us is available here . You can follow The Consult on social media: X/Twitter Instagram Facebook Join our Facebook fan page (created by fans for fans): UNSUBS Get The Consult Merch For additional information and resources, please visit our episode webpage: https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/149-profiling-ghislaine-maxwell-part-1/ Music “Light in the Basement” by John Hanske. Listen to more of John’s music on Spotify . If you enjoyed this episode, consider supporting us on Patreon for early and ad-free episodes. Visit Patreon.com/theconsultpod to become a subscriber. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

We continue our examination of the life, crimes, and behavioral patterns of Jeffrey Epstein. Joined by forensic psychologist Dr. Samantha Stein, we explore how Epstein groomed and manipulated victims, the systems that enabled his abuse for decades, and what his behavior reveals about him. Part 2 of 2. For more information about Dr. Stein and her work, please visit her website: https://drsstein.com/evil-at-our-table/ Dr. Stein's book Evil at Our Table: Inside the Minds of the Monsters Who Live Among Us is available here . You can follow The Consult on social media: X/Twitter Instagram Facebook Join our Facebook fan page (created by fans for fans): UNSUBS Get The Consult Merch For additional information and resources, please visit our episode webpage: https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/148-profiling-jeffrey-epstein-part-2/ Music “Light in the Basement” by John Hanske. Listen to more of John’s music on Spotify . If you enjoyed this episode, consider supporting us on Patreon for early and ad-free episodes. Visit Patreon.com/theconsultpod to become a subscriber. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

In this two-part series, we examine the life, crimes, and behavioral patterns of Jeffrey Epstein. Joined by forensic psychologist Dr. Samantha Stein, we explore how Epstein groomed and manipulated victims, the systems that enabled his abuse for decades, and what his behavior reveals about him. Part 1 of 2. For more information about Dr. Stein and her work, please visit her website: https://drsstein.com/evil-at-our-table/ Dr. Stein's book Evil at Our Table: Inside the Minds of the Monsters Who Live Among Us is available here . You can follow The Consult on social media: X/Twitter Instagram Facebook Join our Facebook fan page (created by fans for fans): UNSUBS Get The Consult Merch For additional information and resources, please visit our episode webpage: https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/147-profiling-jeffrey-epstein-part-1/ Music “Light in the Basement” by John Hanske. Listen to more of John’s music on Spotify . If you enjoyed this episode, consider supporting us on Patreon for early and ad-free episodes. Visit Patreon.com/theconsultpod to become a subscriber. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

We continue our discussion of the FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit's planned interviews with convicted Long Island Serial Killer (LISK) Rex Heuermann. Part 2 of 2. You can follow The Consult on social media: X/Twitter Instagram Facebook Join our Facebook fan page (created by fans for fans): UNSUBS Get The Consult Merch For additional information and resources, please visit our episode webpage: https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/146-rex-heuermann-and-the-fbis-behavioral-analysis-unit-part-2/ Music “Light in the Basement” by John Hanske. Listen to more of John’s music on Spotify . If you enjoyed this episode, consider supporting us on Patreon for early and ad-free episodes. Visit Patreon.com/theconsultpod to become a subscriber. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

As part of his plea agreement, convicted Long Island Serial Killer (LISK) Rex Heuermann agreed to be interviewed by the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit (BAU). In this episode, we discuss what those interviews will involve, what profilers hope to learn, and how they differ from traditional police interrogations. We also examine the behavioral significance of the evidence in the Gilgo Beach serial killings, including Heuermann's alleged planning documents and what they may reveal about him. Part 1 of 2. You can follow The Consult on social media: X/Twitter Instagram Facebook Join our Facebook fan page (created by fans for fans): UNSUBS Get The Consult Merch For additional information and resources, please visit our episode webpage: https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/145-rex-heuermann-and-the-fbis-behavioral-analysis-unit-part-1/ Music “Light in the Basement” by John Hanske. Listen to more of John’s music on Spotify . If you enjoyed this episode, consider supporting us on Patreon for early and ad-free episodes. Visit Patreon.com/theconsultpod to become a subscriber. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

Journalist Andrew Goldman, host of the podcast Dead Certain, returns for the conclusion of our six-part series on the 1975 murder of Martha Moxley. In this final episode, we evaluate and prioritize the individuals we believe warrant the greatest investigative attention based on the evidence, known timelines, victimology, and behavioral analysis. Part 6 of 6. You can follow The Consult on social media: X/Twitter Instagram Facebook Join our Facebook fan page (created by fans for fans): UNSUBS Get The Consult Merch For additional information and resources, please visit our episode website: https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/144-the-murder-of-martha-moxley-part-6/ Music “Light in the Basement” by John Hanske. Listen to more of John’s music on Spotify . If you enjoyed this episode, consider supporting us on Patreon for early and ad-free episodes. Visit Patreon.com/theconsultpod to become a subscriber. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

Journalist Andrew Goldman, host of the podcast Dead Certain, returns for Part 5 of our multi-part series on the 1975 murder of Martha Moxley. In this episode, we conclude our analysis of the offender's personality and behavioral characteristics before turning to the Sutton Report. We examine how both Michael and Tommy Skakel changed their accounts of the night Martha was murdered, and what those evolving statements may reveal when viewed alongside the evidence. Part 5 of 6. You can follow The Consult on social media: X/Twitter Instagram Facebook Join our Facebook fan page (created by fans for fans): UNSUBS Get The Consult Merch For additional information and resources, please visit our episode website: https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/143-the-murder-of-martha-moxley-part-5/ Music “Light in the Basement” by John Hanske. Listen to more of John’s music on Spotify . If you enjoyed this episode, consider supporting us on Patreon for early and ad-free episodes. Visit Patreon.com/theconsultpod to become a subscriber. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .