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Your betrayal didn't catch God by surprise, it came to reveal, not to destroy. In this solo episode of Listen Then Speak , executive coach and certified counselor Jahmaal Marshall breaks down what betrayal actually is: not the end of your story, but the moment the mask slips. If you're still waiting on closure that's never coming, still replaying the conversation, still mishandled and calling it love; this episode is the root work you've been avoiding. Jahmaal unpacks why when people believe they can afford to lose you, they will mishandle you, how to tell the difference between relationships meant to last and relationships that were only ever lessons, and why character is the great revelation of someone's heart. Then he draws the line most people never connect: how disordered boundaries lead directly to burnout, and the wise, faith-rooted way to guard your heart without walling off the people God is trying to send. Grounded in the Joseph narrative, Proverbs 4:23, and the subconscious-belief work at the core of the Listen Then Speak method, this is an episode about betrayal, boundaries, burnout, and finally closing the account on the closure you'll never receive. This episode is for you if: You're recovering from betrayal, a broken friendship, or the loss of a relationship you thought was permanent You over-give to people who under-value you and can't figure out why you're exhausted You're stuck waiting for an apology, explanation, or closure that isn't coming You keep repeating the same relational patterns and want to do the root work to stop You lead at a high level but feel emotionally depleted behind the scenes Press play. Do the work. CHAPTERS / TIMESTAMPS 00:00 — Cold open: the betrayal that broke your heart didn't break God's plan 02:10 — Intro: why the loudest thing in your life is the story you tell yourself 03:25 — It didn't catch God by surprise: Joseph, Judas & sovereignty over betrayal 06:40 — Betrayal is revelation, not destruction (the X-ray principle) 09:30 — When people think they can afford to lose you, they mishandle you 12:45 — Some relationships last, some are lessons — and how to tell the difference 15:10 — Disordered boundaries & the direct road to burnout 18:20 — Wise ways to guard your heart (Proverbs 4:23 & the gate vs. the wall) 21:30 — Closing the account on closure that never comes 23:15 — Strong CTA + share the episode KEY TAKEAWAYS Betrayal is information, not destruction. It doesn't create the fracture, it reveals the one that was already in the bone. People handle you according to the value they assign you. When someone believes your loss is affordable, they mishandle you. Not every relationship was assigned to be permanent. Some are meant to last; some are meant to teach. Stop forcing lessons into life sentences. Character is the reveal: pattern over potential. How someone behaves when honoring you costs them something tells you everything. Disordered boundaries fuel burnout. Over-functioning for people who under-value you is a slow leak that eventually empties you. Closure is a decision, not a gift. You can close the account yourself instead of waiting on a signature that never comes. Guard your heart with a gate, not a wall. Discernment grants access on evidence, not on hope. Still waiting on a closure that is never coming? The internal narrative keeping you stagnant, the one that has you over-giving to people who can afford to lose you, replaying the betrayal, priced at a discount in your own mind; that story can be rewritten. But it won't rewrite itself. That's the root work Jahmaal Marshall does one-on-one (going beneath the surface to the subconscious beliefs and internal narratives running the show) , so you stop waiting on closure and start walking in wholeness. Here's the honest part: this is deep work, and deep work can't be done at scale. Jahmaal keeps his one-on-one coaching roster intentionally small, which means when the spots are full, they're full, and the waitlist waits. 👉 Don't sit on this the way you've been sitting on that closure. Apply / connect before the door closes for this cohort: HERE The people who move on this are the same ones who, six months from now, don't even recognize the version of themselves that was waiting by the phone. And share this episode with a friend who needs it. You already know who came to mind, the one still stuck, still waiting, still mishandled and calling it love. Send it to them right now. Sometimes the most healing thing you can do is hand someone the words they couldn't find for themselves. If you are ready to be efficient instead of productive - make sure you get GoHighlevel . Use my link and get a discount. You need systems that work for you, not against you. Check out GoHighLevel . See what happens when clarity meets structure. CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL MARSHALL Work with Jahmaal (limited 1:1 coaching): HERE! 12 Weeks of Transformation: HERE! LinkedIn: Connect and Follow HERE Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/ Listen deeply. Speak boldly. Do the work. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule an appointment with Jahmaal Brandee Brown has built her life and work around one clear mission: helping people see, own, and magnify the greatness already inside them. In this episode of Listen Then Speak , Jahmaal sits down with Brandee Brown, founder of Magnify Success, for a conversation about resilience, leadership, loss, purpose, and the power of showing up for others. With over 30 years of experience in leadership, corporate strategy, and personal development, Brandee brings a deep understanding of what it takes to navigate change, overcome professional obstacles, and lead with integrity. She shares how her two decades at Comcast shaped her approach to professionalism, strategy, follow-through, and people-first leadership. She also opens up about the harder parts of her story, including childhood pain, personal loss, and the experiences that once made her feel muted. But this conversation is not just about what Brandee has been through. It is about what she has built from it. From being labeled a “happen maker” early in her career to creating Magnify Success, Brandee explains how her pain became part of her purpose, why connection is one of her greatest gifts, and how she helps leaders, brands, and communities step into rooms they may not have known were possible. This is a conversation about resilience, visibility, faith, community, and the kind of leadership that does more than talk. It makes things happen. Episode Highlights: 0:00 - Intro 2:15 - Brandee’s favorite genre of music 4:02 - The care behind Brandee’s work 5:52 - What her Comcast career taught her 9:02 - Why follow-through matters 10:16 - Becoming a “happen maker” 12:20 - The leader who saw something in Brandee before she saw it herself 13:11 - Brandee opens up about her early life 17:10 - How pain became purpose 21:29 - Navigating loss, transition, and leadership as a whole person 26:38 - What Magnify Success is really about 31:46 - Where to connect with Brandee 32:47 - Closing thoughts CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/ Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/ BUY ME A Coffee - with this link: https://buymeacoffee.com/listenthenspeak?new=1 Interested in learning more about Brandee? https://magnify-success.com/why-magnify-success/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandee-brown/ https://www.instagram.com/magnify.success/profilecard/?igsh=MXc2a25uN3BrdHpnaw%3D%3D Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule an appointment with Jahmaal What if the thing that makes your brand work is the part you keep trying to polish out? I sat down with Brynne Krispin, founder and CEO of Cause Fokus, for a conversation about personal branding, perfectionism, self-trust, burnout, boundaries, and what it really takes to become visible without losing yourself in the process. Brynne shares how her own life cracking open forced her to rebuild from a place of alignment instead of scarcity, and how that season shaped the way she thinks about visibility, trust, and building a brand that can actually last. We talked about why people connect with what is real, why your “better way moment” matters, and why sustainable authority is not built by copying templates or chasing vanity metrics. If you are building a business, stepping into thought leadership, trying to grow a side project, or learning how to show up with more clarity and less fear, this conversation is for you. Episode Highlights: 0:00 - Intro 2:09 - Brynne’s favorite music and what it reveals about her work 4:21 - Why perfectionism keeps people from building trust 6:13 - Self-trust, mistakes, and learning as you go 12:51 - Brynne’s story of rebuilding from survival mode 18:11 - Breaking out of scarcity and choosing alignment 21:45 - Finding your “better way moment” 26:51 - Why a strong brand should repel the wrong people 28:23 - How alignment shapes who you attract 31:20 - Why brand work often goes deeper than content 34:12 - Boundaries, health, and building something sustainable 39:23 - How Cause Fokus helps leaders build authority online 41:43 - Episode wrap-up and final thoughts CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/ Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/ BUY ME A Coffee - with this link: https://buymeacoffee.com/listenthenspeak?new=1 Interested in learning more about Brynne? Website: https://causefokus.com/ Join Brynne’s 4-week live cohort for introverts, behind-the-scenes experts, and deep thinkers who want to build real influence on LinkedIn thoughtfully. https://cohort.causefokus.com/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Betrayal doesn't just hurt, it destabilizes. It disrupts your sleep, spikes your cortisol, and quietly convinces you that you can't move forward until the person who wronged you finally acknowledges what they did. But what if the closure you're waiting on was never going to come, and what if that's actually okay? What sounds like a Sunday school story is actually a masterclass in what happens when betrayal becomes a corridor instead of a dead end. In this episode: Why betrayal produces a genuine physiological stress response, and why that matters for high-achievers dealing with burnout Four things betrayal does in people who refuse to let it be the final word (including one that can't be earned any other way) The internal narrative that keeps most people stagnant long after the betrayal itself is over What Joseph's response to his brothers in Genesis 50 reveals about processed pain, and why it's the frame for everything The intention of the betrayer does not determine the outcome of the betrayed. Referenced Scriptures Genesis 37, 39, 41, 50 Ready to stop circling the wound? Jahmaal works with a limited number of coaching clients at a time, and the spots that open don't stay open. If you've been on the edge of this decision, now is the time to move. Go to LinkedIn and connect with Jahmaal directly. Or visit ListenThenSpeak.com to learn more. If you want to support this Podcast and its impact, feel free to Buy Me a Coffee! If this episode hit someone in your life, send it to them. Someone you know is sitting in a pit right now waiting on closure that isn't coming. Be the one who sends them this. Listen deeply. Speak boldly. Do the work. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
What You’ll Hear in This Episode A Question That Hits Different Jahmaal opens with a question most people have never allowed themselves to answer honestly: Have you ever had something go right, and felt more anxious, not less? The cold open sets the tone for an episode built on radical self-honesty. The Chaos Blueprint - How Your Nervous System Got Wired Your childhood home wasn’t just where you grew up, it was your first classroom in what ‘normal’ feels like. Jahmaal breaks down how environments of unpredictability, emotional unavailability, and constant crisis train the nervous system to seek tension as a form of regulation. When your baseline is chaos, calm doesn’t feel peaceful, it feels suspicious. Key insight : The brain doesn’t chase what’s good for you. It chases what’s familiar. And familiar can be quietly destroying you. The Four Sabotage Patterns Jahmaal names the four most common ways unprocessed wounds show up as self-sabotage in adult life: 1. The Hyper-Guarded Heart Building walls so high that genuinely safe people can’t get in, and then using their eventual exit as proof that no one can be trusted. 2. Creating Drama in the Calm Stirring conflict when things are running smoothly, not out of malice, but because the nervous system doesn’t know how to trust stillness. 3. Escapism and Numbing Drifting into overwork, overindulgence, over-scrolling, or any behavior that keeps you slightly off-balance, because sitting in genuine peace means sitting with the feelings you’ve spent years outrunning. 4. Settling for Less Walking away from great opportunities and returning to the comfortable mediocre, not because something is wrong with the opportunity, but because a subconscious identity built in lack doesn’t believe it gets to have great things. The Leadership Layer - Why This Is a Professional Conversation Too This isn’t just personal development. For anyone in a position of leadership: executives, entrepreneurs, managers, coaches, pastors, parents; unprocessed wounds don’t stay behind closed doors. They show up in: How you manage (or micromanage) your team Which opportunities you accept or quietly talk yourself out of Whether your culture is built on trust and vision, or fear and control How you respond when talented people begin to outpace your comfort zone The most expensive thing in any organization isn’t a bad strategy. It’s an unhealed leader. CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/ DM me the word "Peace" to get the conversation started Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/ If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule an appointment with Jahmaal BUY ME A Coffee - with this link: https://buymeacoffee.com/listenthenspeak?new=1 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
KEY TAKEAWAYS What to Walk Away With Chaos isn’t just an external circumstance, for many people, it’s an internal identity built in childhood. Your nervous system will always move toward what’s familiar, not what’s healthy, until you consciously rewire it. Self-sabotage is not a character flaw. It is a protection strategy that outlived its usefulness. Leaders carry their wounds into their organizations. Healing isn’t soft, it is a competitive advantage. Peace is a skill that can be developed. Tolerating good is the practice. The gap between where you are and where you know you’re supposed to be is often not about strategy, it’s about subconscious belief. This One’s Especially for You If… You’ve ever felt more comfortable in struggle than in success You recognize patterns of pulling away just when things start going well You’re a leader who wonders why your culture feels tense even when nothing is ‘wrong’ You’ve settled for a relationship, a job, or a version of yourself that you know doesn’t match your full potential You’re doing all the right things externally but still feel an unexplainable resistance to receiving good You know the word ‘hypervigilant’ applies to you but haven’t known what to do with it CONNECT + WORK WITH JAHMAAL Ready to Do the Work? If this episode opened something in you, if you’re done cycling between chaos and confusion, done leaving great things on the table, done leading from a wound instead of a vision; Jahmaal works directly with individuals and leaders ready to close that gap. ▸ Book a Strategy Call: ▸ DM “PEACE” on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/ ▸ Follow the Podcast: Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts , and all major platforms ▸ Leave a Rating & Review: Your review helps this message reach the people who need it most. ▸ Share This Episode: You never know whose life you’re about to change. Support : Every penny counts in helping spread this message across the Globe https://buymeacoffee.com/listenthenspeak?new=1 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
WHAT WE COVER IN THIS EPISODE [00:00] Cold Open — Starting in the middle, because that's where most of you are [03:30] Why toxicity doesn't find you by accident - it finds a frequency [08:00] The curiosity problem: why we're endlessly curious about others and remarkably uncurious about ourselves [13:15] Why "know your worth" has become a slogan - and what actually discovering your worth looks like [18:00] The 4-Stage Clarity Process: Stage 1 - Discomfort: What comes up when you start asking real questions Stage 2 - The Shedding: Why things fall away and why that's not failure Stage 3 - The Emerging: How clarity shifts who enters your orbit Stage 4 - Maintenance: Why clarity is a practice, not a milestone [26:00] The "waiting" pattern, and why it's not patience, it's outsourcing [31:00] Closing reframe: chaos in your life is information about you, not something happening to you [33:30] Call to Action + Premium Strategy Hour KEY QUOTES FROM THIS EPISODE "Toxicity doesn't target the strong. It targets the unclear." "The version of you that knows their worth doesn't just say it — they live at a frequency where certain things simply cannot survive." "Clarity is a filter you never have to consciously operate. It just works." "You don't need permission to begin the process of becoming who you already are." "That waiting isn't patience. That's outsourcing." "The situation will not resolve first. You resolve first." "These aren't failures. These are maps." RESOURCES & NEXT STEPS Work with Jahmaal - Premium Strategy Hour If this episode hit something real, the Premium Strategy Hour is a single, focused, unsparing session designed to go directly into the internal narratives keeping you stagnant — the stories you've normalized, the patterns you've explained away, the lack of clarity that has you waiting on someone else to move first. Spots are extremely limited and are not held on a waitlist. When they're gone, the door closes. → Visit: listenthenspeak.com → Or DM the word CLARITY on Linkedin to check availability This is not a sales call. It is strategic, honest, and built for people who are done with insight without implementation. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
A strong brand presence does not start with better gear. It starts with knowing how you want to show up. I sat down with Junaid Ahmed to talk about what it really takes to build a strong presence on and off camera without burning yourself out in the process. We got into the connection between emotional intelligence, storytelling, and studio setup, and why the best content starts with clarity long before you buy more gear. Junaid is the founder of Home Studio Mastery and the host of Hacks & Hobbies , where he helps entrepreneurs, creators, and business owners create studio setups that match the quality of their message. In this conversation, he shares how his own journey in video production, podcasting, and problem-solving led him to help others show up with more confidence, better systems, and a more intentional brand presence. We also talk through practical ways to improve your content right now, including framing, lighting, audio, and the importance of staying teachable as you grow. This one is full of insight for anyone who wants to communicate with more impact and show up more powerfully in their work. Interested in Launching your own Podcast? Podcast Principles can help! Book a call below to learn more. https://calendly.com/podcastprinciples/discover Episode Highlights: 0:00 - Introduction 1:03 - Meet Junaid 1:36 - Junaid’s favorite genre of music (and how it influences him) 4:44 - How Junaid developed his sense of calm 11:23 - ‘Energetic types’ 19:37 - What moved Junaid to help people build their brands 26:44 - Recommendations to improve your content right now 34:49 - Episode wrap-up CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/ Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/ If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule an appointment with Jahmaal BUY ME A Coffee - with this link: https://buymeacoffee.com/listenthenspeak?new=1 Interested in learning more about Junaid? Website: https://homestudiomastery.com/ Book: https://homestudiobook.com/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
The way you communicate can open doors, or quietly close them. On this week’s episode, I sat down with Steve Woodruff to talk about what it really means to communicate with clarity, own your strengths, and become unforgettable in the way you show up. Steve is known as the “King of Clarity” – and his Clarity Formula is designed to help businesses and business owners unlock more revenue. He shares how simplifying your message, understanding your unique value, and creating what he calls “memory darts” can help you stand out, earn more referrals, and move with greater confidence in your work and calling. It’s a powerful conversation on identity, alignment, and saying what matters in a way people actually remember. Interested in Launching your own Podcast? Podcast Principles can help! Book a call below to learn more. https://calendly.com/podcastprinciples/discover Episode Highlights: 0:00 - Introduction 1:15 - Meet Steve Woodruff 3:06 - Steve’s favorite genre of music 6:53 - Steve’s shift away from corporate 11:11 - Finding your true purpose and identifying mismatch 14:16 - “Redeeming the time”, finding your path 19:21 - “Memory darts” 25:23 - How you can get in touch with Steve 27:26 - Final thoughts CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/ Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/ If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule an appointment with Jahmaal BUY ME A Coffee - with this link: https://buymeacoffee.com/listenthenspeak?new=1 Interested in learning more about Steve? Website: https://www.stevewoodruff.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/swoodruff/ Book - Clarity Wins: https://www.amazon.com/Clarity-Wins-Get-Heard-Referred/dp/1732857105/ref=sr_1_1?crid=249NH5OG9SPL&keywords=Clarity%20Wins%20by%20Steve%20Woodruff&qid=1695139262&sprefix=clarity%20win%20by%20steve%20woodruff%2Caps%2C150&sr=8-1 Book: The Point: https://orderthepoint.carrd.co/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Jahmaal unpacks the difference between chemistry and character, and why so many people confuse emotional intensity with genuine alignment. In this solo episode, he breaks down how powerful connection can cloud judgment in relationships, friendships, business, and even hiring decisions. He challenges listeners to stop using feelings as proof, start paying attention to patterns, and recognize that closure does not always come from the other person. This conversation is a thoughtful reminder that character reveals itself over time, and real peace begins when people stop outsourcing their healing and start choosing clarity for themselves. Interested in Launching your own Podcast? Podcast Principles can help! Book a call below to learn more. https://calendly.com/podcastprinciples/discover Episode Highlights: 0:00 - Introduction 2:41 - Chemistry 7:47 - Character 13:36 - The trap of ‘waiting for closure’ 18:09 - Three practical shifts 20:54 - Final thoughts CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL Book your Strategy Hour: https://calendly.com/listenthenspeak/the-rewire-roadmap-vip-clone Mention Listen Then Speak when you book. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/ Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/ If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule an appointment with Jahmaal BUY ME A Coffee - with this link: https://buymeacoffee.com/listenthenspeak?new=1 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Interested in Launching your own Podcast? Podcast Principles can help! Book a call below to learn more. https://calendly.com/podcastprinciples/discover In this episode, I sit down with Terry Rice, speaker, entrepreneur, and leadership trainer, for a real conversation about addiction, identity, fatherhood, discipline, and what it means to live in alignment. Terry brings the perspective of someone who has rebuilt more than once, opening up about getting fired from Facebook, losing his son TJ, and how those experiences shaped the way he leads, lives, and serves others today. We talk about overcoming alcoholism, building a life with intention, and using your scars, not to hide, but to help others grow. Honest, challenging, and full of perspective, this one is for anyone trying to lead with more clarity, purpose, and truth. Episode Highlights: 0:00 - Introduction 1:37 - Favorite genre of music and how it informs Terry’s life 4:15 - How Terry utilizes the gym 6:05 - Building resilience 8:35 - Terry’s why and his addiction to alcohol 13:57 - Exploring ‘functional addiction’ 18:01 - How Terry hit his brick wall 24:38 - Your sense of purpose and conquering your addictions 27:52 - “What drives you today?” 32:55 - Work/life rhythms and getting alignment 39:37 - Being a dad and working, or having a business 42:23 - Episode wrap-up CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/ Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/ If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule an appointment with Jahmaal BUY ME A Coffee - with this link: https://buymeacoffee.com/listenthenspeak?new=1 Interested in learning more about Terry? https://performancesystems.co/keynote https://buildwiththem.com/ Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/terry-rice/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/itsterryrice/ https://performancesystems.co/ R³ Performance Systems helps leaders and organizations build systems that work whether they feel motivated or not. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
WHAT YOU’LL HEAR IN THIS EPISODE 01 - The Myth of External Closure We’ve been conditioned to believe closure is something someone else delivers. Jahmaal unpacks why that belief is both biologically understandable and deeply damaging and introduces the Zeigarnik Effect, the psychological reason our minds grip unfinished situations so tightly. “Closure is not a conversation. It’s a decision you make inside yourself about what that chapter meant and what you’re going to do next.” 02 - The Self-Sabotage Nobody Talks About When unresolved pain goes unprocessed, we carry it forward, transferring it onto new managers, new partners, new collaborators who had nothing to do with the original wound. Jahmaal names this pattern “transferring pain forward” and explains why it masquerades as wisdom, discernment, and self-protection. Key distinction from this segment: Boundaries built from wisdom: identifying patterns, doing the work, watching for early signs Walls built from unhealed wounds: treating everyone who resembles your past as a present-day threat “You are punishing people for crimes they didn’t commit — and losing the very opportunities that could heal you. 03 - Your Internal Triggers Are Running the Show A trigger isn’t just an emotional reaction — it’s your nervous system signaling that something unprocessed has been activated. The problem is that your nervous system cannot distinguish between what is actually dangerous and what merely resembles something that was dangerous before. The result: you make survival decisions in contexts where survival isn’t actually at stake. You are fighting yesterday’s battle in today’s arena. “When your unhealed triggers are driving, your future is being written by your past.” Jahmaal also addresses why insight alone doesn’t equal healing and what it actually takes to update the internal narrative written at your most vulnerable moment. 04 - The Psychological Safety You’re Creating for Yourself Here’s the reframe: your self-sabotage isn’t random. It isn’t weakness. It is strategy, a set of protective behaviors your psyche built to keep you safe. But there’s a critical difference between manufactured safety and real psychological safety. Manufactured safety: controlled demolition of your own potential before someone else can cause the damage Real psychological safety: the inner confidence that you can handle whatever comes, you will not be destroyed CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule a 1 Hour Strategy Call with Jahmaal - LTS2026Closure LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/ Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/ BUY ME A Coffee - with this link: https://buymeacoffee.com/listenthenspeak?new=1 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Interested in Launching your own Podcast? Podcast Principles can help! Book a call below to learn more. https://calendly.com/podcastprinciples/discover Burnout does not start with your calendar. It starts with what you keep tolerating. In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Gwendolyn Oglesby-Odom, a healthcare executive and transformational servant leader, for a powerful conversation on boundaries, psychological safety, self-care, and what it really takes to lead without losing yourself. From non-negotiables and team culture to vulnerability and sustainable leadership, this episode is packed with wisdom for anyone trying to build healthier people and stronger teams. Episode Highlights: 0:24 - Introduction 1:40 - Favorite genre of music and how it shapes her life 3:29 - The wellness gap for leaders on the front lines 4:05 - Why self-care has to be scheduled 5:31 - Night routines, boundaries, and protecting rest 7:36 - Non-negotiables and the cost of renegotiating them 10:17 - Delegation, team structure, and leadership vision 12:51 - Psychological safety and leading with vulnerability 20:15 - What to do when your work environment is draining you 23:00 - Vacation, refueling, and the leadership case for rest 25:51 - Leading with love and building a healthy team culture 35:11 - Dr. Gwen’s billion-dollar healthcare investment in Chicago CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/ Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/ If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule an appointment with Jahmaal BUY ME A Coffee - with this link: https://buymeacoffee.com/listenthenspeak?new=1 Interested in learning more about Gwendolyn? Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-gwendolyn-oglesby-odom-ed-d-msn-bsn-rn-bc-nea-bc-0037482/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Interested in Launching your own Podcast? Podcast Principles can help! Book a call below to learn more. https://calendly.com/podcastprinciples/discover Peace isn’t the absence of pressure. It’s the presence of structure. In this solo episode, Jahmaal breaks down boundaries without bitterness and why most people don’t struggle with saying no, they struggle with guilt, fear, and the need to be liked. He shares how resentment builds when you wait too long, why overexplaining kills a boundary’s authority, and the simple framework that helps you set limits with clarity, consistency, and calm. If you’re tired of protecting your peace with attitude, this one gives you the roadmap to protect it with discipline. Episode Highlights: 0:00 - Introduction 0:25 - Episode open 2:23 - The ‘B’ word (boundaries) 3:39 - Bitterness and what no boundaries gets you 11:07 - The affect on your business 14:07 - Why do we avoid boundaries? 16:03 - Being kind doesn’t always mean being available 17:31 - Clarity, consistency and calm 19:04 - The challenge for this week + closing thoughts Interested in Launching your own Podcast? Podcast Principles can help! Book a call below to learn more. https://calendly.com/podcastprinciples/discover CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/ Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/ If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule an appointment with Jahmaal BUY ME A Coffee - with this link: https://buymeacoffee.com/listenthenspeak?new=1 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Interested in Launching your own Podcast? Podcast Principles can help! Book a call below to learn more. https://calendly.com/podcastprinciples/discover On this episode of Listen Then Speak, I sit down with my friend (and repeat guest) Mita Mallick to talk about her new book, The Devil Emails at Midnight: What Good Leaders Can Learn from Bad Bosses . We get into the real workplace dynamics so many people quietly deal with: chaos, burnout, and “lethal loyalty”, and what it actually looks like to set boundaries without blowing up your career. Mita shares how her upbringing as the daughter of Indian immigrant parents shaped the way she approached work, why “keep your head down and work hard” can backfire in modern corporate culture, and how bad bosses don’t just create stress, they create ripple effects that drain entire teams. We also unpack one of the book’s most memorable archetypes, “The White Rabbit” manager, and walk through practical ways to manage up, prioritize what’s urgent vs. important, and build a communication framework that protects your time and sanity. If you’ve ever felt pressured to be available 24/7, struggled to advocate for yourself, or wondered how to lead well in a broken culture, this conversation is for you. Episode Highlights: 0:00 - Introduction 0:53 - Meet Mita! 2:25 - Favorite genre of music 3:07 - Management, flexibility and being a role model 5:30 - The start of Mita’s career and how her parent’s culture informed it 12:06 - The ‘F’ word (family) 17:09 - The “white rabbit” 21:16 - “Managing up” with a ‘white rabbit’ 27:07 - Getting over the fear of ‘managing up’ 30:13 - Urgency exhaustion and guarding your true priorities 33:59 - Advice to service-based, or faith-based professionals 38:12 - Where you can get Mita’s book CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/ Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/ If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule an appointment with Jahmaal BUY ME A Coffee - with this link: https://buymeacoffee.com/listenthenspeak?new=1 Interested in learning more about Mita Mallick? Website https://www.mitamallick.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mita-mallick-2b165822/ Book: https://www.amazon.com/Devil-Emails-Midnight-Leaders-Bosses/dp/1394316488 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Interested in Launching your own Podcast? Podcast Principles can help! Book a call below to learn more. https://calendly.com/podcastprinciples/discover Burned out, stuck in your head, and still trying to lead like everything’s fine? In this episode of Listen then Speak, I sit down with entrepreneur and biohacker Chaz Horn to talk about what it actually looks like to stress less without lowering the bar. We get into the mindset shifts that move you from fear and survival mode into clarity, gratitude, and real self-awareness, plus a few simple habits that help you reset your energy and get your creativity back. We also zoom out to leadership and culture, including the difference between expectations and standards, and why collaboration might be the most overlooked growth strategy for high-performing leaders. Episode Highlights: 0:00 - Introduction 1:55 - Favorite genre of music and how it influences Chaz 5:52 - ‘Bio-hacking’ and awareness around your emotions 11:12 - One simple mindset shift (that has a big impact) 14:21 - Gratitude 23:08 - ‘Good’ dopamine and ‘bad’ dopamine 26:08 - Chaz’s mediation story 29:06 - What the “body in motion” does to increase creativity 33:05 - What brought Chaz to what he does today 37:03 - Where you can find Chaz 39:09 - Episode wrap-up CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/ Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/ If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule an appointment with Jahmaal BUY ME A Coffee - with this link: https://buymeacoffee.com/listenthenspeak?new=1 Interested in learning more about Chaz Horn? Website: https://chazhorn.com/the-b2b-blueprint-to-predictable-sales LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chaz-horn/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
On this week’s Listen Then Speak, Jahmaal sits down with business coach Justin Janowski for a conversation that goes past surface-level advice and into what actually makes sales, pricing, and strategy feel clean and effective. Justin is the founder of Faith2Influence, and began his entrepreneurial journey just like many others, with uncertainty and fear, but also with a strong desire to build a faith-driven, impactful, and financially successful business. He joins Jahmaal to talk about why “sales” doesn’t have to feel pushy (or fake), and how the best sales conversations are really leadership with a clear invitation at the end. Justin also breaks down his simple framework for ending every call with a yes, a no, or the next call booked, so you stop living in follow-up limbo and start closing the open loops that quietly drain your time and energy. You’ll also hear the mindset side: identity, emotional state, and the stories we tell ourselves about money and rejection, and the quick pre-call rituals Justin uses to show up grounded, confident, and aligned. If you’re building a business, thinking about a side gig, or you just want to get better at communicating value without feeling “salesy,” this episode is for you. Interested in Launching your own Podcast? Podcast Principles can help! Book a call below to learn more. https://calendly.com/podcastprinciples/discover Episode Highlights: 0:00 - Introduction 0:26 - Meet Justin Janowski 2:05 - Favorite genre of music that informs Justin’s life 4:45 - What started Justin’s passion for sales 8:18 - The problem that Justin was created to solve 12:36 - Sales that “feel good” and leading prospects to yes (or no) 19:31 - Win/win or no deal 21:30 - Diving into the sales conversation itself 25:45 - Rejection and why people quit too soon 28:11 - Your emotional state going into a sales call 32:31 - “I’m not in sales, how does this apply to me?” 34:27 - Some of Justin’s own rituals 37:59 - Where you can find Justin 39:07 - Episode wrap-up CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/ Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/ BUY ME A Coffee - with this link: https://buymeacoffee.com/listenthenspeak?new=1 If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule an appointment with Jahmaal Interested in learning more about Justin Janowski Website: https://www.faith2influence.com/start Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinjanowski/ https://www.f2itribe.com/10sv3hp (Free ten - step Sales Process) Text "Plan" to 33777 (Free Coaching Call) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
We Did It - 1 MILLION Downloads!!! In this milestone episode, Jahmaal pauses to reflect, express gratitude, and honor the journey that turned a simple practice of listening into a global movement. In This Episode, You’ll Hear: - How Listen Then Speak began with Jahmaal walking through the woods—long before a microphone or audience - How the podcast evolved into a globally trusted brand serving leaders, businesses, and entrepreneurs - Reflections on some of Jahmaal’s most meaningful and impactful episodes - A heartfelt thank-you to listeners, guests, partners, and supporters around the world - A preview of what’s coming next as the podcast moves through the rest of 2026 Why This Episode Matters: This episode is a reminder that sustainable impact doesn’t come from rushing—it comes from listening, alignment, and intentional growth. It’s an invitation to slow down, reflect, and recommit to the work that truly matters. Support the Podcast If Listen Then Speak has supported your growth, here are a few ways you can help keep the momentum going: Subscribe to the podcast Leave a rating and review (this helps the show reach more people globally) Share this episode with someone who needs it Buy Me a Coffee to support the ongoing creation of the show Every bit of support helps amplify conversations that change lives. Stay Connected Follow Jahmaal Marshall for updates, reflections, and behind-the-scenes content CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/ Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/ If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule an appointment with Jahmaal Subscribe so you never miss an episode Join us as we continue building conversations that create personal, professional, and organizational transformation Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
For some people, helping others reach financial stability and freedom – is just a job. For Bill Walters, it’s personal. Before becoming a financial guru, Bill spent six years caring for his mother during her battle with dementia. He also raised a daughter with emotional, medical, and psychological needs. These experiences taught him firsthand how unpredictable life can be and how important it is to plan ahead with wisdom and care. Today, he works with people who are navigating life on their own terms. Whether managing a household or growing a business, to planning for retirement, or a loved one’s long-term care – Bill’s mission is to help you achieve lasting financial stability and solvency through solutions that truly fit your journey. He joins Jahmaal to share more about his journey and this crucial intersection between his experiences, and what he does to help others now. They also touch on the importance of mindset and control. The magic of simple, responsible decision making and more! Interested in Launching a Podcast? https://calendly.com/podcastprinciples/discover Episode Highlights: 0:00 - Introduction 0:22 - Episode open, introduction to Bill Walters 1:20 - Bill’s favorite genre of music (and how it informs his life) 3:44 - What’s developed Bill into who he is today 5:22 - Bill’s draw to “see things perfected” 10:12 - Bill’s advice for your own loved ones 14:53 - Mindset, burnout and control 23:05 - Roadmapping financial (and mental) success 26:32 - How you can find your “why” 29:22 - Re-building a nest egg 33:15 - Closing thoughts CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/ Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/ If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule an appointment with Jahmaal Interested in learning more about Bill Walters? +1 (267) 278-5062 | +1 (609) 994-0222 bill@perfectlyimperfectfamilies.com www.perfectlyimperfectfamilies.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Our personal lives and professional lives. Two areas typically kept completely separate, never to see one another. In reality, who we are, what we’ve been through and what we “do” for a living are all inextricably linked. Failure informs what we do in the future. Adversity helps build us stronger. Mistakes are what make us.. well, human. These aren’t things to be ignored, but experiences to be embraced for the true growth potential they provide. Today’s guest and episode focuses on this very fact. Michael Stephenson is a community leader and marketing expert with over 20 years of experience driving significant change. His company, Brim and Brand is a full-service marketing and advertising agency. His focus on fostering meaningful progress and his leadership is second to none but most importantly, is informed by the challenges and obstacles he faced in his own life as a young man – which we examine in this episode. Additionally Michael shares his blueprint for others, what inspires him to “give back” and enrich his community, his 3 big takeaways from someone starting over and more great nuggets of wisdom! Interested in Launching a Podcast? https://calendly.com/podcastprinciples/discover Interested in learning more about Michael? Website: https://brimxbrand.com/ Discount Code: LTS2026 Episode Highlights: 0:00 - Introduction 1:47 - Meet Michael Stevenson 3:18 - Favorite genre and how it informs Michael 6:24 - Michael’s early days 16:01 - Moving to now: Starting the company and how Michael runs it 29:16 - Letting go of bitterness and resentment 31:00 - Michael’s 3 Takeaways 33:22 - Where you can find Michael CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/ Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/ If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule an appointment with Jahmaal Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
