Published by Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying
The DarkHorse Podcast is hosted by Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying. Bret and Heather both have PhDs in biology, and they seek truth and explore a wide variety of topics with their evolutionary toolkit as society loses its footing. Tune in to infamous spreaders of "Covid Disinformation" Bret and Heather for a podcast—maybe you'll like what you see!
Listen on Apple PodcastsOn this, our 336th Evolutionary Lens livestream, we discuss the Covid Era in light of the Senate Hearing on the testimony of Anthony Fauci. First: excerpts from several Covid Era Stories, reminding us of the atrocities, tragedies, and ludicrosities (yes) of that time. Then: is Fauci’s refusal to answer any questions put to him by members of the committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs evidence that he is, in effect, a made man? We the people deserve answers, and the government should work for us—but it does not appear to do so. The polarization is as stark as possible: democrats think Fauci is science, republicans see Fauci as a great harm to science. ***** Our sponsors: Xlear: Xylitol nasal spray that acts as prophylaxis against respiratory illnesses by reducing the stickiness of bacteria and viruses. Find Xlear online, or at your local pharmacy, grocery store, or natural products store. Puori: Amazingly clean and safe supplements and protein powders, lab tested and guaranteed. Go to http://Puori.com/DarkHorse for 32% off grass-fed whey protein with a subscription. DarkHorse code works on all products! Mars Men: Natural testosterone booster supplement. For a limited time, our listeners get 50% off for life, free shipping, and 3 free gifts from Mars Men at http://Mengotomars.com. ***** Join us on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com Heather’s newsletter, Natural Selections (subscribe to get free weekly essays in your inbox): https://naturalselections.substack.com Our book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, is available everywhere books are sold, including from Amazon: https://amzn.to/3AGANGg (commission earned) Check out our store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://darkhorsestore.org Music: "Marble Machine" by Wintergatan This track can be downloaded for free at www.wintergatan.net Free License to use this track in your video can be downloaded at www.wintergatan.net Thumbnail: Kevin Dietsch / Getty Images News ***** Mentioned in this episode: Senate hearing: https://www.hsgac.senate.gov Covid Era Stories (#17, 23, 8, 9, 24, and 3 excerpted on show): https://naturalselections.substack.com/s/covid-era-stories Support the show
Bret Weinstein speaks with Leslie Manookian on the subject of medical freedom, vaccine mandates, constitutional rights, institutional power, and the possible mechanisms behind homeopathy. Find Leslie Manookian and Health Freedom Defense Fund at https://healthfreedomdefense.org and on X at https://x.com/theHFDF. ***** Sponsors: Vanman: Go to https://vanman.shop/darkhorse26 and use code DARKHORSE26 for 15% off your first order. Branch Basics: Get 15% off Branch Basics with the code darkhorse at https://branchbasics.com/darkhorse #branchbasicspod Redmond Salt: Jurassic-era salt from Utah, and amazing electrolytes (Re-Lyte) from the same sea bed. Go to http://redmond.life/darkhorse and use code DARKHORSE to get 15% off your first order. ***** Join DarkHorse on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com Check out the DHP store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://www.darkhorsestore.org Music: "Marble Machine" by Wintergatan This track can be downloaded for free at www.wintergatan.net Free License to use this track in your video can be downloaded at www.wintergatan.net ***** Mentioned in this episode: Health Freedom Defense Fund https://healthfreedomdefense.org Brownstone Institute: https://brownstone.org/ The Greater Good Movie https://greatergoodmovie.org Health Freedom Resources & Action Kit https://healthfreedomdefense.org/resources/ Challenge to Biden Federal Travel Mask Mandate https://healthfreedomdefense.org/hfdf-lawsuits/federal-travel-mask-mandate/ PREP Act and Declarations: https://asprtracie.hhs.gov/technical-resources/resource/13353/public-readiness-and-emncy-preparedness-prep-act HFDF and Brownstone Medical Freedom Poll: https://healthfreedomdefense.org/poll/ Stand for Health Freedom: https://standforhealthfreedom.com/ Medical Freedom Act Coalition: https://healthfreedomdefense.org/shf-and-hfdf-form-national-coalition-to-advance-medical-freedom-across-the-us/ American Fascism: The Injection Industrial Complex https://lesliemanookian.substack.com/p/american-fascism-the-injection-industrial Brave New World https://amzn.to/4bgNgQ1 (commission earned) Vaccines Are They Really Safe and Effective? https://amzn.to/4gTO15e (commission earned) American Institute of Homeopathy: https://homeopathyusa.org/ Prasanta Banerji Homeopathic Research Foundation: https://www.pbhrfindia.org/ Polyface Retreat https://brownstone.org/polyface-retreat-2026/ ***** Timestamps: 00:00:00 Meet Idaho’s Medical Freedom Rebel 00:06:58 Sponsor: Vanman 00:08:50 Sponsor: Branch Basics 0010:42 Can States Defend Medical Freedom? 00:18:47 Sponsor: Redmond Salt 00:21:25 Your Body, Your Call 00:33:36 Nuremberg Code & Real Consent 00:38:16 1913: The Year America Broke 00:47:26 NGOs & Nonprofits 00:56:35 One World Government Ambitions 01:04:57 Eugenics and Human Control 01:14:35 Covid and Digital Control 01:18:29 CBDCs & Tokenizing Everything 01:26:29 Drug Safety Crisis 01:37:16 9/11 Manufactured Trauma 01:45:27 Leslie’s Vaccine Injuries & Homeopathy 01:58:05 Bret & Heather’s Vaccines Journey 02:00:00 Bret’s Homeopathic Journey 02:03:43 Leslie’s Response to Bret’s Doubts 02:07:55 Bret Defends Homeopathy 02:15:12 Unexplained, but it Works 02:23:03 Practical Homeopathy 02:29:20 Homeopathy: True Health Freedom 02:33:57 Bret: Where a Mechanism Might Hide 02:53:39 Leslie’s Work Support the show
On this, our 335th Evolutionary Lens livestream, we discuss the time-traveling money printer in its newest instantiation: Trump’s monetization of Truth Social, wherein you pay to get a microsecond advantage in the market. Like so many before him, he’s becoming wealthy without generating wealth. But a president should be working to generate wealth for his country, and its citizens. Then: discussion of risk, exploration and frontiers in the context of Pa Ingalls and the Little House on the Prairie series, the fearful response to such things by many women, and the motorcycle accident that our son Toby was just in. (He will be okay.) ***** Our sponsors: Masa Chips: Delicious chips made with corn, salt, and beef tallow—nothing else—in loads of great flavors. Ready to give MASA a try? Get 25% off your first order by going to https://www.masachips.com/DARKHORSE and using code DARKHORSE American Financing: NMLS #182334 nmlsconsumeraccess.org. APR for rates in the 5s start at 6.327% for well qualified borrowers. Call 866-886-5350 for details about credit, costs and terms. Visit http://AmericanFinancing.net/DarkHorse. Average savings based on borrowers who save over $199.99. SaunaSpace: deep radiant heat from red and infrared incandescence—detox and decrease pain, reverse screen fatigue and improve your mood. http://Sauna.Space/DarkHorse for 10% off sitewide. ***** Join us on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com Heather’s newsletter, Natural Selections (subscribe to get free weekly essays in your inbox): https://naturalselections.substack.com Our book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, is available everywhere books are sold, including from Amazon: https://amzn.to/3AGANGg (commission earned) Check out our store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://darkhorsestore.org Music: "Marble Machine" by Wintergatan This track can be downloaded for free at www.wintergatan.net Free License to use this track in your video can be downloaded at www.wintergatan.net ***** Mentioned in this episode: Truth Social announcement: https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2026/07/16/3328489/0/en/Trump-Media-and-Technology-Group-Launches-Truth-API-a-New-Licensed-Data-Service-for-Financial-Services-Partners-That-Provides-the-Fastest-Access-to-Truth-Social-s-Most-Influential-.html Tai Pan: https://amzn.to/44JG4bu (comission earned) Pa Ingalls and risk at Natural Selections: https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/scared-rabbits Support the show
On this, our 334th Evolutionary Lens livestream, we discuss data centers, surveillance cameras, and the Cartesian Crisis. Do Americans dislike data centers because they’re bad for us, or because foreign agents want us to dislike them? The NYT and Alethea say that foreign agents are creating content made to look home-grown that is not, but the support for the arguments is weak. Meanwhile, the high-voltage lines going up near people’s homes could have the aesthetic and—more important—health costs mitigated if those lines were put underground, due to the potential to insulate the magnetic fields. Also: Flock cameras are going up all over America. The stated goal is to track license plates, but our privacy and civil liberties are at stake. The Flock CEO compares those who are taking out Flock cameras to antifa, and Bret introduces a new idea: They Don’t Actually Give a Shit About Us. ***** Our sponsors: American Financing: NMLS #182334 nmlsconsumeraccess.org. APR for rates in the 5s start at 6.327% for well qualified borrowers. Call 866-886-5350 for details about credit, costs and terms. Visit http://AmericanFinancing.net/DarkHorse. Average savings based on borrowers who save over $199.99. Caraway: Non-toxic, highly functional & beautiful cookware and bakeware. Save up to $230 on their 12 piece cookware set, and visit http://Carawayhome.com/DarkHorse for an additional 10% off your next purchase. Add their minis duo, and save up to $350. Dose for your Liver: Tasty drink with milk thistle, ginger, dandelion & turmeric to support liver health. Save 35% of your first month at http://dosedaily.co/DarkHorse ***** Join us on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com Heather’s newsletter, Natural Selections (subscribe to get free weekly essays in your inbox): https://naturalselections.substack.com Our book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, is available everywhere books are sold, including from Amazon: https://amzn.to/3AGANGg (commission earned) Check out our store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://darkhorsestore.org Music: "Marble Machine" by Wintergatan This track can be downloaded for free at www.wintergatan.net Free License to use this track in your video can be downloaded at www.wintergatan.net ***** Mentioned in this episode: NYT on data centers: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/09/business/china-russia-ai-data-centers.html Alethea: https://alethea.com/insights/how-state-actors-and-ai-slop-are-amplifying-data-center-revolt Taggard on Brockovich’s Substack: https://www.thebrockovichreport.com/p/high-voltage-high-stakes Cowan on data centers and magnetic fields: https://peteranthonycowan.substack.com/p/erin-brockovich-power-lines-and-the Flock: https://www.flocksafety.com Deflock: https://deflock.org Flock CEO: https://x.com/MorePerfectUS/status/2075624572540338269 Support the show
Bret Weinstein speaks with Sonia Elijah on the subject of her book, 3/11: Viral Takeover, covering the Covid pandemic. Find Sonia Elijah at https://www.soniaelijah.com and on X at https://x.com/sonia_elijah. Purchase her book on Amazon https://amzn.to/4wEKjRC (commission earned). ***** Sponsors: Sundays For Dogs: Dog food so tasty and healthy, even husbands swear by it. Go to http://www.sundaysfordogs.com/DARKHORSE to receive 50% off your first order. Sundries Farm: Extraordinary hand grown and harvested garlic from a family farm on the volcanic soils of Idaho. Go to http://www.sundriesfarm.com & enter code DarkHorse for 10% off. Xlear: Xylitol nasal spray that acts as prophylaxis against respiratory illnesses by reducing the stickiness of bacteria and viruses. Find Xlear online, or at your local pharmacy, grocery store, or natural products store. ***** Join DarkHorse on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com Check out the DHP store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://www.darkhorsestore.org Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music. ***** Mentioned in this episode: 3/11 Viral Takeover https://amzn.to/4wEKjRC (commission earned) Brownstone Institute http://brownstone.org Support the show
On this, our 333rd Evolutionary Lens livestream, we discuss how to avoid mosquitoes without DEET, whether Gen Z is really doing better than the generations before it (as some research and headlines proclaim), and what the hell happened to Wikipedia. First: catnip is as effective as DEET in dissuading mosquitoes (but you might end up attracting cats). Next: New research suggests that GenZ is doing great, financially, but dig just a little, and find the research deeply flawed. Finally: Larry Sanger named and led Wikipedia in 2001, and he has now been permanently blocked from the site. It has become an ideological racket rather than an encyclopedia, but we need an encyclopedia. How do we get it back? ***** Our sponsors: American Financing: NMLS #182334 nmlsconsumeraccess.org. APR for rates in the 5s start at 6.327% for well qualified borrowers. Call 866-886-5350 for details about credit, costs and terms. Visit http://AmericanFinancing.net/DarkHorse. Average savings based on borrowers who save over $199.99. Masa Chips: Delicious chips made with corn, salt, and beef tallow—nothing else—in loads of great flavors. Ready to give MASA a try? Get 25% off your first order by going to https://www.masachips.com/DARKHORSE and using code DARKHORSE CrowdHealth: Pay for healthcare with crowdfunding instead of insurance. It’s way better. Use code DarkHorse at http://JoinCrowdHealth.com to get 1st 3 months for $99/month. ***** Join us on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com Heather’s newsletter, Natural Selections (subscribe to get free weekly essays in your inbox): https://naturalselections.substack.com Our book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, is available everywhere books are sold, including from Amazon: https://amzn.to/3AGANGg (commission earned) Check out our store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://darkhorsestore.org Music: "Marble Machine" by Wintergatan This track can be downloaded for free at www.wintergatan.net Free License to use this track in your video can be downloaded at www.wintergatan.net ***** Mentioned in this episode: Catnip as bug repellent: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/jul/07/catnip-lotion-as-effective-as-deet-at-repelling-mosquitoes-study-finds Is GenZ earning more than millennials?: https://www.theguardian.com/money/2026/jun/22/gen-z-earning-more-millennials-same-age-resolution-foundation Phil Harper responds: https://thedigger.co/p/gen-z-is-out-earning-millennials The Guardian publishes a lot from the Resolution Foundation: https://www.theguardian.com/business/resolution-foundation Larry Sanger: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op-eds/4638304/larry-sanger-wikipedia-co-founder-banned-anonymous-mob/ Support the show
On this, our 332nd Evolutionary Lens livestream, we discuss America’s 250th birthday. In 1776, both Common Sense and the Declaration of Independence provided self-evident truths that prompted the formation of a new nation. Built on optimism and an entrepreneurial spirit, the United States of America is fracturing along political lines, each side incapable of seeing the humanity of people who believe different things from themselves. In those 250 year old documents we see implicit recognition of trade-offs, game theory and emergence—all of which are just as fundamental now as they were then. As part of this discussion we cover patriotism, antifa, dual vs hierarchical loyalties, Trump, the World Cup, and taking advantage of breaks. ***** Our sponsors: Timeline: Accelerate the clearing of damaged mitochondria to improve strength and endurance: Go to http://www.timeline.com/darkhorse and use code darkhorse for 20% off your first order. ARMRA Colostrum is an ancient bioactive whole food that can strengthen your immune system. Go to http://www.tryarmra.com/DARKHORSE to get 30% off your first subscription order. Helix: Excellent, sleep-enhancing, American-made mattresses. Go to http://www.HelixSleep.com/DarkHorse for % off sitewide, 25% of Luxe mattresses, and 30% off elite mattresses ***** Join us on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com Heather’s newsletter, Natural Selections (subscribe to get free weekly essays in your inbox): https://naturalselections.substack.com Our book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, is available everywhere books are sold, including from Amazon: https://amzn.to/3AGANGg (commission earned) Check out our store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://darkhorsestore.org Music: "Marble Machine" by Wintergatan This track can be downloaded for free at www.wintergatan.net Free License to use this track in your video can be downloaded at www.wintergatan.net ***** Mentioned in this episode: Common Sense: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/147/147-h/147-h.htm Declaration of Independence: https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript Harper’s: https://harpers.org/archive/2026/07/happy-fucking-birthday-christopher-hooks-semiquincentennial/ Musings with Chloé Simone: https://substack.com/@chloesimmone/p-203727669 Support the show
On this, our 331st Evolutionary Lens livestream, we discuss sunscreen and vegans. It’s Summer, and the sun is out! Should you slather yourself in sunscreen, stay indoors, or seek moderate exposure to the sun that grows in intensity that more your skin becomes acclimated to the season? The last, of course. Research has found that sunscreen use may be positively correlated with skin cancer, but a) “sunscreen” is not just one thing, and most but not all sunscreen is positively toxic, and b) all cause mortality is lower in people who get regular (non-sunscreened) sun exposure, so even if sunscreen does lower your risk of skin cancer—the sun is protecting your health in other ways. Also consider ditching the sunglasses, and donning a hat. Then: even the New York Times can’t figure out whose team they’re on, as a vegan in Portland tries to get Oregonians to outlaw hunting, fishing, animal research, conventional livestock production, and “lethal pest control.” ***** Our sponsors: Mud/WTR: Start your new morning ritual & get up to 43% off your @MUDWTR with code DarkHorse at http://mudwtr.com/DarkHorse #mudwtrpod Caraway: save up to $230 on the 12 piece cookware set vs buying the products individually; include minis duo & save up to $350. Visit http://Carawayhome.com/DarkHorse to take an additional 10% off using code DarkHorse on your next purchase. Puori: Clean and safe supplements, lab tested and guaranteed. Go to http://Puori.com/DarkHorse for 32% off grass-fed whey protein with a subscription. DarkHorse code works on all products! ***** Join us on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com Heather’s newsletter, Natural Selections (subscribe to get free weekly essays in your inbox): https://naturalselections.substack.com Our book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, is available everywhere books are sold, including from Amazon: https://amzn.to/3AGANGg (commission earned) Check out our store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://darkhorsestore.org Music: "Marble Machine" by Wintergatan This track can be downloaded for free at www.wintergatan.net Free License to use this track in your video can be downloaded at www.wintergatan.net ***** Mentioned in this episode: Hulscher’s substack: https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/study-finds-sunscreen-use-linked Jeremian et al 2023. Gene–Environment analyses in a UK biobank skin Cancer cohort identifies important SNPs in DNA repair genes that may help prognosticate disease risk. Cancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers & Prevention, 32(11): 1599-1607: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10840669/pdf/nihms-1929398.pdf Nicholson & Exley, C 2007. Aluminum: a potential pro-oxidant in sunscreens/sunblocks? Free Radical Biology and Medicine, 43(8): 1216-1217: https://www.ovid.com/journals/frbm/abstract/10.1016/j.freeradbiomed.2007.07.010~aluminum-a-potential-pro-oxidant-in-sunscreenssunblocks Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide: https://amzn.to/3AGANGg (commission earned) NYT in Oregon: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/21/us/politics/animal-rights-cruelty-oregon.html Support the show
Bret Weinstein sits down with Rupert Lowe for a timely conversation about Britain, the West, institutional corruption, and the consequences of political cowardice. Days after this interview was recorded, the UK Rape Gang Inquiry Report was released, bringing renewed attention to one of the most disturbing scandals in modern British history. Find Rupert Lowe on X at https://x.com/RupertLowe10 and Restore Britain at https://www.restorebritain.org.uk. ***** This episode is sponsored by: Mars Men: Natural testosterone booster supplement. For a limited time, our listeners get 50% off for life, free shipping, and 3 free gifts from Mars Men at http://Mengotomars.com. Puori: Amazingly clean and safe supplements and protein powders, lab tested and guaranteed. Go to http://Puori.com/DarkHorse for 32% off grass-fed whey protein with a subscription. DarkHorse code works on all products! Helix: Excellent, sleep-enhancing, American-made mattresses. Go to http://www.HelixSleep.com/DarkHorse to get 20% off Sitewide, 25% off Luxe Mattresses, or 30% off Elite Mattresses. ***** Join DarkHorse on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com Check out the DHP store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://www.darkhorsestore.org Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music. ***** Mentioned on this episode: The Rape Gang Inquiry Report https://static1.squarespace.com/static/6810978a41bbc42489eafa81/t/6a314bb1151e511944bd4421/1781615537601/The+Rape+Gang+Inquiry+Report.pdf Rupert Lowe’s Restore Britain announcement: https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2022394419685822647 Support the show
On this, our 330th Evolutionary Lens livestream, we discuss pride and fascism. In California, companies get preferential consideration for utilities contracts if they can demonstrate that they belong to June’s most popular “oppressed” class—LGBTQ. Proof will be required, however. Evidence can take the form of “attempted parenting” with a same-sex partner, a therapist’s letter confirming transgender status, or a TikTok account, among other things. Meanwhile among the GenZ’s, 31% of young women identify as LGBTQ—and mostly it’s B. Young women claiming they’re bisexual is yet another social contagion—it’s safer than cutting or taking cross-sex hormones, and it puts you in good standing to get money from the state of California! Then: what is fascism? Umberto Eco proposed 14 features found in fascism; we review. ***** Our sponsors: Dose for your Liver: Tasty drink with milk thistle, ginger, dandelion & turmeric to support liver health. Save 35% of your first month at http://dosedaily.co/DarkHorse Sundries Farm: Extraordinary hand grown and harvested garlic from a family farm on the volcanic soils of Idaho. Go to http://www.sundriesfarm.com & enter code DarkHorse for 10% off. Xlear: Xylitol nasal spray that acts as prophylaxis against respiratory illnesses by reducing the stickiness of bacteria and viruses. Find Xlear online, or at your local pharmacy, grocery store, or natural products store. ***** Join us on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com Heather’s newsletter, Natural Selections (subscribe to get free weekly essays in your inbox): https://naturalselections.substack.com Our book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, is available everywhere books are sold, including from Amazon: https://amzn.to/3AGANGg (commission earned) Check out our store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://darkhorsestore.org ***** Mentioned in this episode: Rufo and Hufford in City Journal: https://www.city-journal.org/article/california-gay-business-contracts-utilities LGBTQ Status Qualifiers for Business Owners: https://nglcc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/LGBTQ-Status-Qualifiers-for-Business-Owners-1.pdf Randal Olson on genZ’s embrace of LGBTQ: https://www.randalolson.com/2026/06/09/lgbtq-identification-by-generation Umberto Eco on ur-fascism: https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism Support the show
Bret Weinstein speaks with attorney, Bobbie Anne Cox on the subject of election laws, voter fraud, and the political landscape in blue states. But first they honor the legacy of their friend, Warner Mendenhall, in discussing the Brooke Jackson case and fraud in Pfizer Trials. Find Bobbie Anne Cox on X at https://x.com/Attorney_Cox and her Substack at https://attorneycox.substack.com. ***** Sponsors: Xlear: Xylitol nasal spray that acts as prophylaxis against respiratory illnesses by reducing the stickiness of bacteria and viruses. Find Xlear online, or at your local pharmacy, grocery store, or natural products store. Vanman: Go to https://vanman.shop/darkhorse26 and use code DARKHORSE26 for 15% off your first order. SaunaSpace: Dark Horse listeners get an exclusive 10% off sitewide at http://sauna.space/darkhorse - now through June 21, every sauna purchase includes a FREE PureLayer bundle featuring an organic bamboo mat cover and three stool covers. ***** Join DarkHorse on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com Check out the DHP store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://www.darkhorsestore.org Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music. ***** Mentioned in this Episode: Brownstone Institute https://brownstone.org/ In Memory of Warner Mendenhall https://imahealth.org/in-memory-of-warner-mendenhall Brook Jackson's fight against Pfizer https://www.covidlawcast.com/p/brook-jacksons-fight-against-pfizer UNITED STATES OF AMERICAex rel. BROOK JACKSON,Plaintiff,vs.VENTAVIA RESEARCH GROUP, LLC,et al.Defendants https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24362542-2023-12-19-jackson-opp2mtd-final-as-filed/ H.R.5546 - National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 https://www.congress.gov/bill/99th-congress/house-bill/5546 National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation HHS, CDC Announce New ACIP Members https://www.hhs.gov/press-room/hhs-cdc-announce-new-acip-members-sept-2025.html CPPAC 2026: Bobbie Anne Cox https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p3YItoDArs When Judges Go Rogue https://attorneycox.substack.com/p/when-judges-go-rogue When Judges Go Rogue - Bobbie Anne Flower Cox - The Brownstone Show, Episode 15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVZTHV-bZN8 SAVE Act https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/22 Support the show
On this, our 329th Evolutionary Lens livestream, we continue to discuss the West. We begin with readings of glorious California—from Stegner to Chandler to Didion—and reminisce about our own time growing up in LA. Then: the elections in California seem rigged, and if your elections are rigged, you don’t have a democracy. Paper polls worked; in-person voting worked; exit polls provided information. Why did our elections change? The system as it stands is an invitation to fraud. A democratic republic is the only viable alternative, and Democrats are destroying the goose that lays the golden eggs, which makes the marvelous life of most people—including the men singing about not taking it anymore--possible. Meanwhile in the state of Washington: the newest Executive Order demonstrates just how spineless, powerless, and in need of replacement, our leaders are. EO 26-01 purports to address menopausal and perimenopausal symptoms; instead, it is a pandering, bureaucratic, gameable, woke, anti-scientific mess. To everyone who still believes the blue team: Stop being foot-soldiers of Goliath. ***** Our sponsors: Redmond Salt: Jurassic-era salt from Utah, and amazing electrolytes (Re-Lyte) from the same sea bed. Go to http://redmond.life/darkhorse and use code DARKHORSE to get 15% off your first order. Branch Basics: Excellent, effective, simple, truly non-toxic cleaning supplies. Get 15% off with code DarkHorse at https://branchbasics.com/DarkHorse #branchbasicspod CrowdHealth: Pay for healthcare with crowdfunding instead of insurance. It’s way better. Use code DarkHorse at http://JoinCrowdHealth.com to get 1st 3 months for $99/month. ***** Join us on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com Heather’s newsletter, Natural Selections (subscribe to get free weekly essays in your inbox): https://naturalselections.substack.com Our book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, is available everywhere books are sold, including from Amazon: https://amzn.to/3AGANGg (commission earned) Check out our store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://darkhorsestore.org ***** Mentioned in this episode (Amazon links receive affiliate commission, thank you for supporting DarkHorse): Haslam 1992: Many Californias: Literature from the Golden State https://amzn.to/3QwRDPN Didion 1968: Slouching Towards Bethlehem https://amzn.to/4vEJnw4 Stegner 1971: Angle of Repose https://amzn.to/4olKo9U Chandler 1939: The Big Sleep https://amzn.to/3RYFVOn West 1939: The Day of the Locust https://amzn.to/4uqy0a2 Didion 1979: The White Album https://amzn.to/4uKdem5 KTLA: https://ktla.com/news/politics/los-angeles-mayor-primary-election/ Men’s chorus: https://x.com/politibunny/status/2064083824393236818 WA EO on menopause: https://governor.wa.gov/sites/default/files/exe_order/26-01%20-%20Menopause%20%28tmp%29.pdf Women’s Commission: https://wswc.wa.gov Support the show
On this, our 328th Evolutionary Lens livestream, we discuss fires in the West, both literal and metaphorical. First: the mayoral race in LA, and race politics. Then: rioting in Paris after a soccer win—not mere hooliganism, but also due to race politics and immigration. The World Cup is coming to Seattle—but what to do about the homeless people? Build a “low barrier” tiny home community out of sight of the tourists, where drug addicts are encouraged to relocate. New public toilets in Seattle were destroyed within weeks, though—will tiny homes be sufficient to protect soccer fans? Also: it’s pride month! At UCSC’s “Gender Affirming Gear” closet, students can get free binders, packers, and tucking kits! Knitting it all together: What is the West, what are its tenets, and is it worth saving? Yes. ***** Our sponsors: Timeline: Accelerate the clearing of damaged mitochondria to improve strength and endurance: Go to http://www.timeline.com/darkhorse and use code darkhorse for 20% off your first order. ARMRA Colostrum is an ancient bioactive whole food that can strengthen your immune system. Go to http://www.tryarmra.com/DARKHORSE to get 30% off your first order. Caraway: Non-toxic, highly functional & beautiful cookware and bakeware. Save with their cookware set, and visit http://Carawayhome.com/DH10 to for an additional 10% off your next purchase. Also: spend over $495 and receive a Butcherbox FREE; spend over $795 and also get a FREE cast iron grill pan! ***** Join us on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com/ Heather’s newsletter, Natural Selections (subscribe to get free weekly essays in your inbox): https://naturalselections.substack.com Our book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, is available everywhere books are sold, including from Amazon: https://amzn.to/3AGANGg (commission earned) Check out our store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://darkhorsestore.org ***** Mentioned in this episode: LA mayoral race results: https://ktla.com/news/politics/los-angeles-mayor-primary-election/ Voting based on race: https://x.com/DrewPavlou/status/2061571066707972540?s=20 Rioting in Paris: https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/2060870418014118162?s=20 Seattle toilets: https://x.com/WallStreetApes/status/2061802513993490856 Tiny homes in Seattle: https://thepostmillennial.com/seattle-builds-tiny-home-village-for-citys-homeless-drug-users-displaced-by-fifa-world-cup-games UCSC Queer Center: https://queer.ucsc.edu UnClockable tucking kit: https://unclockable.com/products/unclockable-tuck-kit-2 Support the show
On this, our 327th Evolutionary Lens livestream, we discuss West coast politics, propaganda, and AI. First: the insurgent campaign of Spencer Pratt in the race for mayor of Los Angeles is going strong. He is by far the best hope for Los Angeles, given fires and filth, homelessness and crime, drugs and corruption. Then: propaganda from Iran is remarkably compelling. And: Bret proposes that the model of AI that we are living under is degenerate intellectual communism, and that we have been given no choice. And: there is so much new under the sun—but AI may blind us to its discovery. ***** Our sponsors: Mars Men: Natural testosterone booster supplement. For a limited time, our listeners get 50% off for life, free shipping, and 3 free gifts from Mars Men at http://Mengotomars.com. Xlear: Xylitol nasal spray that acts as prophylaxis against respiratory illnesses by reducing the stickiness of bacteria and viruses. Find Xlear online, or at your local pharmacy, grocery store, or natural products store. Branch Basics: Excellent, effective, simple, truly non-toxic cleaning supplies. Get 15% off with code DarkHorse at https://branchbasics.com/DarkHorse #branchbasicspod ***** Join us on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com Heather’s newsletter, Natural Selections (subscribe to get free weekly essays in your inbox): https://naturalselections.substack.com Our book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, is available everywhere books are sold, including from Amazon: https://amzn.to/3AGANGg (commission earned) Check out our store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://darkhorsestore.org ***** Mentioned in this episode: LA mayoral debate: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rI3A6alVHM) CBS fact-checks mayor Bass: https://x.com/CBSNews/status/2052588315828994148?s=20 Pratt on JRE on fentanyl zombies: https://x.com/DrewPavlou/status/2058477622439583827?s=20 Pressure washing campaign slogans in LA: https://x.com/Rightanglenews/status/2058587656334803243?s=20 Pilates moms ad: https://x.com/SnarkingIsLegal/status/2056336125732507799 LA Times says crime is down: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2026-05-24/crime-rates-los-angeles-mayor-race-2026-candidates Iran Lego video: https://x.com/FurkanGozukara/status/2042149309588590937?s=46 Support the show
Panama Canal follow-up: Bret Weinstein and Michael Yon return to the subject two years later after major developments. Michael appears this time with his wife and partner, Masako Ganaha sharing their unique paradigm for understanding global patterns, historical lessons, and future predictions. Find Masako Ganaha at https://note.com/masakoganaha and on X at https://x.com/ganaha_masako Find Michael Yon on Substack at https://michaelyon.substack.com and on X at https://x.com/Michael_Yon ***** Sponsors: Dose: Ready to give your liver the support it deserves? Head to http://dosedaily.co/DARKHORSE or enter DARKHORSE to get 35% off your first subscription. Puori: Amazingly clean and safe supplements and protein powders, lab tested and guaranteed. Go to http://Puori.com/DarkHorse for 32% off grass-fed whey protein with a subscription. DarkHorse code works on all products! Vanman: Go to https://vanman.shop/darkhorse26 and use code DARKHORSE26 for 15% off your first order. ***** Join DarkHorse on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com Check out the DHP store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://www.darkhorsestore.org Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music. ***** Mentioned in this episode: Michael Yon Panama Canal on DarkHorse https://darkhorse.locals.com/post/5179074/bret-weinstein-with-michael-yon-in-the-panama-canal Catherine Austin Fitz on Michael Yon Substack https://michaelyon.substack.com/p/amazing-talk-masako-and-catherine Trojan Migration? The 210th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwmwxo3iMAs Zionist Forces may close Strait of Hormuz https://michaelyon.substack.com/p/zionist-forces-may-close-strait-of Dutch Farmers Canaries in the Globalist Coal Mine Michael Yon Eva Vlaardingerbroek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqHQN54XCL0 Screwworms over Texas https://michaelyon.substack.com/p/screwworms-over-texas Support the show
On this, our 326th Evolutionary Lens livestream, we discuss government and tyranny, environmental toxins and the media, eminent domain, and memories of childhood. Former Washington state governor Christine Gregoire says the state doesn’t have an income problem, it’s got a spending problem—and that unpredictability from legislators is making it impossible for the business community to plan. Stochasticity is impossible to adapt to—for humans, and for other species too. In the most expensive Congressional primary race in U.S. history, incumbent Thomas Massie lost in Kentucky; his opponent was substantively funded by AIPAC. Young people supported Massie; old people did not. The Department of Fish & Wildlife has declared the widely used herbicide atrazine no big deal—but it very much is, beginning with the well-established fact that it turns the frogs…not gay, but aggressive and dysfunctionally hermaphroditic. In Georgia, eminent domain is being invoked to “liberate” people from their houses. And we end with memories of idyllic childhoods in the forests of the Pacific Northwest. ***** Our sponsors: MUD\WTR: Start your new morning ritual & get up to 43% off your @MUDWTR with code DARKHORSE at http://mudwtr.com/darkhorse! #mudwtrpod SaunaSpace: deep radiant heat from red and infrared incandescence—detox and decrease pain, reverse screen fatigue and improve your mood. http://Sauna.Space/DarkHorse for 10% off sitewide. Helix: Excellent, sleep-enhancing, American-made mattresses. Go to http://www.HelixSleep.com/DarkHorse to get 27% off sitewide. Exclusive for DarkHorse listeners. ***** Join us on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com Heather’s newsletter, Natural Selections (subscribe to get free weekly essays in your inbox): https://naturalselections.substack.com Our book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, is available everywhere books are sold, including from Amazon: https://amzn.to/3AGANGg (commission earned) Check out our store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://darkhorsestore.org ***** Mentioned in this episode: Christine Gregoire: https://x.com/BrandiKruse/status/2054995043006681440 AIPAC on Kentucky race: https://x.com/AIPAC/status/2056893663511257316 NYT on atrazine, 2023: https://www.nytimes.com/article/rfk-conspiracy-theories-fact-check.html NYT on atrazine, 2026: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/19/climate/epa-atrazine-endangered-species-maha.html Hayes et al 2003. Atrazine-induced hermaphroditism at 0.1 ppb in American leopard frogs (Rana pipiens): laboratory and field evidence. Environmental health perspectives, 111(4): 568: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1241446/pdf/ehp0111-000568.pdf Gender Surrender – DarkHorse #182 on atrazine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USF0A_fRlvk Eminent domain – Ansley Brown in Georgia: https://x.com/Ansleysgarden/status/2054036145328075104 Shadow Thoughts: https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/shadow-thoughts Support the show
Bret Weinstein speaks with Jakob Shockey on the subject of cancel culture in the nonprofit world, raising money, and beavers. Find Project Beaver at https://www.projectbeaver.org ***** Sponsors: Caraway: Non-toxic, highly functional & beautiful cookware and bakeware. Save with Caraway’s cookware set and visit http://Carawayhome.com/DHPOD to for an additional 10% off your next purchase. Puori: Amazingly clean and safe supplements and protein powders, lab tested and guaranteed. Go to http://Puori.com/DarkHorse for 32% off grass-fed whey protein with a subscription. DarkHorse code works on all products! Timeline: Timeline accelerate the clearing of damaged mitochondria to improve strength and endurance: Go to http://www.timeline.com/darkhorse and use code darkhorse for 20% off your first order. ***** Join DarkHorse on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com Check out the DHP store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://www.darkhorsestore.org Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music. ***** Mentioned in this episode: Beavers? Bret Weinstein Speaks with Jakob Shockey on the Darkhorse Podcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBmKwQ9SPt0 Just How Busy Is the Beaver? https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/beaver Support the show
On this, our 325th Evolutionary Lens livestream, we discuss Hanta virus and drought. First: what is the natural history of Hantavirus, do any Hantaviruses transmit directly from human to human, and what is going on with the M.V. Hondius, the cruise ship on which Hantavirus has made a stand? Given its mechanisms of action, Ivermectin is likely to treat Hantavirus (a negative sense single-stranded RNA virus), but the WHO dismisses the possibility. Moderna is working on a Hantavirus vaccine, even though the Number Needed to Treat is sky high. What is going on? Then: in Washington state, we’re experiencing a very wet drought. The Department of Ecology has declared a drought (again), and the snow pack is low, but all other indicators—from rivers to reservoirs to soil moisture—are excellent. Cliff Mass, atmospheric scientist, puts the evidence in one place and calls bull on the drought diagnosis. ***** Our sponsors: Xlear: Xylitol nasal spray that acts as prophylaxis against respiratory illnesses by reducing the stickiness of bacteria and viruses. Find Xlear online, or at your local pharmacy, grocery store, or natural products store. Fresh Pressed Olive Oil Club: Freshly harvested and delicious. Go to http://www.GetFreshDarkHorse.com to get a bottle of the best olive oil you’ve ever had for $1 shipping. CrowdHealth: Pay for healthcare with crowdfunding instead of insurance. It’s way better. Use code DarkHorse at http://JoinCrowdHealth.com to get 1st 3 months for $99/month. ***** Join us on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com Heather’s newsletter, Natural Selections (subscribe to get free weekly essays in your inbox): https://naturalselections.substack.com Our book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, is available everywhere books are sold, including from Amazon: https://amzn.to/3AGANGg (commission earned) Check out our store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://darkhorsestore.org ***** Mentioned in this episode: Hantavirus and the elders: https://asm.org/articles/2024/october/indigenous-knowledge-solved-mysterious-outbreak Toledo et al 2022. Evidence for human-to-human transmission of hantavirus: a systematic review. The Journal of infectious diseases, 226(8): 1362-1371: https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/226/8/1362/6369311 Zaidi & Dehgani-Mobaraki 2022. The mechanisms of action of ivermectin against SARS-CoV-2—an extensive review. The Journal of antibiotics, 75(2): 60-71: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-021-00491-6 The WHO on the recent outbreak: https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2026-DON599 Cliff Mass – There is no drought emergency: https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2026/05/the-is-no-drought-emergency-in.html Statewide drought declared in WA: https://ecology.wa.gov/about-us/who-we-are/news/2026/april-8-statewide-drought-declared-due-to-dismal-snowpack Support the show
On this, our 324th Evolutionary Lens livestream, we discuss the 2028 presidential election, and bees, plants, and electrons. First: Kamala Harris is currently the front-runner for the Democratic nominee in 2028. Given her scant record of achievements, her capacity, and her campaign in 2024, how is this possible? Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez would be a better choice. On the Republican side, Vance is the front-runner, as expected, but there are far more other options than on the Democratic side (DeSantis, Kennedy, Gabbard, to name a few). Then: flowers are negatively charged, bees become positively charged while flying, such that when bees arrive at flowers, pollen leaps on to bees. We discuss sensory modalities, communication between pollinators and pollen distributors, and how environmental EMF might disrupt such systems. ***** Our sponsors: Ridge: Upgrade your wallet today! Get 10% off @Ridge with code DARKHORSE at https://www.Ridge.com/darkhorse #Ridgepod ARMRA Colostrum is an ancient bioactive whole food that can strengthen your immune system. Go to http://www.armra.com/DARKHORSE to get 30% off your first order. Fresh-Pressed Olive Oil Club: Scrumptious & freshly harvested. Go to http://www.GetFreshDarkHorse.com to get a bottle of the best olive oil you’ve ever had for $1 shipping. ***** Join us on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com Heather’s newsletter, Natural Selections (subscribe to get free weekly essays in your inbox): https://naturalselections.substack.com Our book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, is available everywhere books are sold, including from Amazon: https://amzn.to/3AGANGg (commission earned) Check out our store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://darkhorsestore.org ***** Mentioned in this episode: Ross Douthat on Harris in the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/02/opinion/kamala-harris-democratic-party.html Real Clear Polling on Republicans in 2028: https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/republican-primary/2028/national Sir David Attenborough on bees, plants, and EMFs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee381dCP6JM Support the show
On this, our 323rd Evolutionary Lens livestream, we discuss vultures, politics, and complex systems. Vultures, which have evolved multiple times (like mangroves, poison frogs, and “trees”), specialize on carrion. In India, a painkiller commonly used in people but toxic to vultures, diclofenac, came out of patent, began to be used in cattle, and the vast majority of vultures in India died. Downstream effects include the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, and tens of billions of dollars in economic losses. Now in Africa, vultures are being poisoned intentionally, and a similar devastation is likely to happen. Vultures are ugly, smelly, and gross…and utterly central to the health of not just their ecosystems, but the people who live in and near them. Welcome to complex systems. Also: Katie Wilson, the mayor of Seattle, seems to be engaged in a kind of “scientific socialism,” akin to “scientific racism,” in which quasi-scientific ideas are used to justify (bad) policy. ***** Our sponsors: Lovebird: Delicious, nutritious cereal made with real ingredients. Go to http://lovebirdfoods.com/darkhorseand use code DARKHORSE for 25% off your first order. Fresh Pressed Olive Oil Club: Scrumptious & freshly harvested. Go to http://www.GetFreshDarkHorse.com to get a bottle of the best olive oil you’ve ever had for $1 shipping. Xlear: Xylitol nasal spray that acts as prophylaxis against respiratory illnesses by reducing the stickiness of bacteria and viruses. Find Xlear online, or at your local pharmacy, grocery store, or natural products store. ***** Join us on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com Heather’s newsletter, Natural Selections (subscribe to get free weekly essays in your inbox): https://naturalselections.substack.com Our book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, is available everywhere books are sold, including from Amazon: https://amzn.to/3AGANGg (commission earned) Check out our store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://darkhorsestore.org ***** Mentioned in this episode: Frank & Sudarshan 2024. The social costs of keystone species collapse: evidence from the decline of vultures in India. American Economic Review 114(10): 3007-3040: https://wrap.warwick.ac.uk/id/eprint/171014/13/WRAP-twerp-1433-Sudarshan-24.pdf Anoosh Moonka tweet: https://x.com/anishmoonka/status/2049394252573004057 On the Origin of Species: https://dn710801.ca.archive.org/0/items/darwin-online_1859_Origin_F373/1859_Origin_F373_text.pdf Katie Wilson clip from Brandi Kruse: https://x.com/BrandiKruse/status/2049562844862324861 Support the show
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