Published by Matt Rayment
Trail running talk and banter, delving deep to gain insight and inspiration from interesting runners in New Zealand, Australia and the world. Learn more: dirtchurchradio.com
Listen on Apple PodcastsThis week, Matt and Ali have the distinct pleasure of speaking with Jeff Garmire. Jeff is well known for his achievements in the thru-hiking world, having set many incredible Fastest Known Times on the Colorado, John Muir, and Arizona trails (among others). Having completed 6 Cocodona 250-mile top ten finishes and fresh off a month-long “bachelor party” in Europe, knocking off a GR20, a Tour De Mont Blanc, and a 100km ultra in Germany, we speak to Jeff about his roots in the sport, connection, authenticity, and his frank and engaging approach to highlighting the incredible (and at times silly) aspects of our sport. Jeff is also a coach, podcaster, and author. We discuss how reaching out and communicating with others have positively influenced his life and well-being, as well as his hopes for the future of this sport and culture. This is a brilliant conversation that we are so pleased to bring you. We hope you enjoy it. Dirt Church Radio – Best Enjoyed Running. --- --- --- Episode Links Jeff Garmire Home Jeff Garmire Instagram Free Outside Podcast Free Outside Substack Janji Garage Grown Gear Sign up for the DCR AidStation newsletter and never miss an episode! Join us today. Dirt Church Radio on Instagram Dirt Church Radio on Facebook Further Faster New Zealand Enjoy! Music by Andrew McDowall, Digicake
This week, Ali, Matt, and Andrew get together to set the record straight (ish). The state of the trail-running multi-nation is laid out. We discuss (gulp) goals and, if we could have our druthers, what our ideal trail race would look like. Andrew is partial to any gel except the ones that taste like acid. Matt closes the loop on the circle pit with a glorious celebration; Ali is building, building, building, PLUS we have a special check-in from the man himself, Bradley H from Trailrunning.NZ about the madness that it Vertual July. All this and more at the DCR AidStation. Dirt Church Radio – Best Enjoyed Running. --- --- --- Episode Links Sign up for the DCR AidStation newsletter and never miss an episode. Join us today. The Cutoff Time On Feet- Western States BTS Dirt Church Radio on Instagram Dirt Church Radio on Facebook Further Faster New Zealand Enjoy! Music and editing by Andrew McDowall, Digicake
This week, Matt and Ali have the pleasure of speaking with Audrée Lafrenière. Audrée is a coach, athlete, and dedicated lover of our sport and culture. You may know her best from the popular trail-running video series that Audrée and her partner, Jeff Pelleier, create. These videos document their adventures, be that fastpacking in the Dolomites, racing UTMB, Crewing Jeff at Moab 240, or Audrée’s most recent 100km effort at Lake Sonoma. Assured, Knowledgeable, and engaged, Audrée’s conversation with us offers a peek behind the curtain at what goes into the planning, challenges, logistics, and execution of creating content whilst staying in the moment and living an extraordinary life on the trails, as someone who is not a sponsored pro athlete but an enthusiastic citizen runner like most of us. Dirt Church Radio – Best Enjoyed Running. --- --- --- Episode Links Audrée Lafrenière Instagram Running 62 Kilometres Around Grand Teton National Park BIG FRESH THE GREATEST NZ SUPERMARKET Sign up for the DCR AidStation newsletter and never miss an episode! Join us today. Dirt Church Radio on Instagram Dirt Church Radio on Facebook Further Faster New Zealand Enjoy! Music by Andrew McDowall, Digicake
This week, Matt and Ali carry the torch, as Andrew said he was popping out for soy milk and went to Australia. We run down Vertual July, the controversy with the Six Foot Track Marathon finishing times, and a Hardrock Preview. We debate one of the great trail-running conundrums: shakka vs. goat horns? What would a grand slam of NZ ultramarathons look like, we wonder? We marvel at the momentum that momentum can give you, the joy of urban trails, and plan world domination. All this and more at the DCR AidStation. Dirt Church Radio – Best Enjoyed Running. --- --- --- Episode Links Sign up for the DCR AidStation newsletter and never miss an episode. Join us today. Dirt Church Radio on Instagram Dirt Church Radio on Facebook Further Faster New Zealand Enjoy! Music and editing by Andrew McDowall, Digicake
This week, it’s Ali, Andrew, and Matt rolling as the power trio we are, without an interview, because we wanted to cover something important and increasingly on people’s minds. This started with a response to a Yaboyscottjurek post, where he’d come up with slogans for various personalities in the ultra world, including the race director of an ultra-ultra distance race, with “you wouldn’t want it to be affordable, would you?” on their cap. Matt saw this, laughed, nodded, and moved on with his life, but a listener tagged us and the Freetrail podcast in the post and suggested we might want to dive into the subject. So we did, and the results may shock you. Even in a sport as relatively privileged as trail running, people are feeling the financial pinch, and nothing seems to be getting cheaper. So we ran some numbers and are excited to take you through what we found on the true cost of an ultramarathon. We’ve also got all the news from Laverado and Western States, and a follow-up from our man Lachlan Colebatch, who toed the line at Olympic Valley and got the job done. Dirt Church Radio – Best Enjoyed Running. --- --- --- Episode Links Western States Endurance Home irunfar (the GOATS) Caitlin Fielder Instagram Ryan Montgomery Instagram Sign up for the DCR AidStation newsletter and never miss an episode! Join us today. Dirt Church Radio on Instagram Dirt Church Radio on Facebook Further Faster New Zealand Enjoy! Music by Andrew McDowall, Digicake
This week is all about Western States. The history, the myths and legends, and how Ali, Andrew, and Matt first got drawn into the orbit of this incredible race. Andrew, who ran the bloody thing in 2024, confirms that the hype is indeed justified and talks us through the ins and outs of the iconic course. We have interviews with Caitlin Fielder, Holly Ranson, and Lachlan Colbatch, all of whom are toeing the line on Saturday. Above and beyond all this, we discuss Matt’s wildlife encounter on the weekend, how NZ is a village, discuss the future of the WSER, and vote with our hearts and our heads on who we think will take the win. All this and more at the DCR AidStation. Dirt Church Radio – Best Enjoyed Running. --- --- --- Episode Links Western States Endurance Home irunfar (the GOATS) Caitlin Fielder Instagram Holly Ranson Instagram Sign up for the DCR AidStation newsletter and never miss an episode! Join us today. Dirt Church Radio on Instagram Dirt Church Radio on Facebook Further Faster New Zealand Enjoy! Music by Andrew McDowall, Digicake
Kia ora e te whānau. This week, we bring you a double header of epic proportions. First, you’ll hear the 2026 Ultra Trail Australia Women in Trail panel. This episode features elite trail runners Beth McKenzie, Charlie Simpson, Lydia O’Donnell, and Olympian triathlete Sophie Linn. Next, Ali speaks to Dr. Pelle Kempe, a specialist Obstetrician and Gynaecologist based in Palmerston North. He is the Medical Lead for the Obstetrics and Gynaecology service at Palmerston North Hospital. Dr. Kempe also serves as Chair of the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists. A passionate trail runner, Pelle is dedicated to improving women’s health. This conversation explores the intersection of trails and health, the changes and challenges for female athletes, and possible ways forward. (Note for the fellas: Women’s health affects everyone. Stick around, learn something, and enjoy the chat.) Dirt Church Radio—Best Enjoyed Running. --- --- --- Episode Links Beth McKenzie Instagram Sophie Linn Instagram Charlie Simpson Instagram Lydia O’Donnell Instagram Dr Pelle Kempe Instagram Sign up for the DCR AidStation newsletter. Dirt Church Radio on Instagram Dirt Church Radio on Facebook Further Faster New Zealand Enjoy! Music by Andrew McDowall, Digicake
This week is a tribute to togetherness that running can bring us. Ali, Andrew, and Matt celebrate the experience of heading out for a run with your mates, be it a marathon relay, a Denny’s Marathon, or a Coast to Coast to Coast. We explore (literally) some of the cool places you can get to in a city on foot. We salute and welcome Freden, Auckland’s new maunga-based running activity, and reveal our fondness for the ephemera collected post-race, and the memories they hold. We get sub-niche, learn that Fela Kuti’s mum was tough as all get out, and pay our fondest respects to Matua Ken. All this and more, at the DCR AidStation Dirt Church Radio – Best Enjoyed Running. --- --- --- Episode Links Sign up for the DCR AidStation newsletter and never miss an episode! Join us today. Dirt Church Radio on Instagram Dirt Church Radio on Facebook Further Faster New Zealand Enjoy! Music by Andrew McDowall, Digicake
Kia ora e te whānau. Ian Sharman is a straight-up Legend in the sport of ultramarathon running. A Coach and Athlete hailing from the Golden Age, before 4K cameras in everyone’s pockets and when fans had to pass around a pirated copy of Unbreakable, Sharman and his kin were like trail gods, foreshadowing and inspiring the current crop of legends and doing things us regular people could only imagine, and we had to, because it was before the great trailrunning media bubble formed. Starting DCR 8 years ago after growing up in the sport, listening to Shaman on Trail Runner Nation and the like, and having him on the podcast is like a dream come true. The four-time Leadville winner and Grand Slam of Ultra Running record holder joins Ali and Andrew for a long overdue catch-up about life on the trails, his amazing achievements in racing and coaching, and the why behind his new book, The Art of Ultrarunning: Tried & Tested Strategies for Long Distance Runners. Dirt Church Radio—Best Enjoyed Running. --- --- --- Episode Links Ian Sharman Instagram Sharman Ultra Coaching The Art Of Ultrarunning Preorder Sign up for the DCR AidStation newsletter. Dirt Church Radio on Instagram Dirt Church Radio on Facebook Further Faster New Zealand Enjoy! Music by Andrew McDowall, Digicake
This week, Ali, Matt, and Andrew get philosophical: if an influencer were to influence the woods and no one were around, would anyone GRWM? We take a shot at amateur doping (and why this sucks), and share our undying admiration for the NZ 24-hour championship team. We address some of the curliest issues afflicting trail running in the 21st century. While we are at it, why is Andrew so calm? It worries us when he goes all Zen. Should you date runners, even if you are one? Is this a slippery slope? Does time count in the airport lounge? How does one confuse terrain with talent, and we circle (pit) back to the debacle in the desert. All this and more, at the DCR AidStation Dirt Church Radio – Best Enjoyed Running. --- --- --- Episode Links Sign up for the DCR AidStation newsletter and never miss an episode! Join us today. Dirt Church Radio on Instagram Dirt Church Radio on Facebook Further Faster New Zealand Enjoy! Music by Andrew McDowall, Digicake
Kia ora e te whānau. We ran away and joined the circus. And it was cool as hell. No, not that dork-fest in the desert, but a true example of community and fellowship at the 2026 Hoka Ultra Trail Australia by UTMB. These are incredible four days in the majesty of the Blue Mountains. Ali and Matt were privileged to lead a brilliant conversation with some of the biggest talents in Trail and Ultra Running on Friday, after the first of our live shows was rained off. We speak with Beth McKenzie, Ruth Croft, Dan Jones, and two-time Leadville champ (and kangaroo victim) Adrian MacDonald. We’ll be running down the highs and lows, drama, and hilarity of yapping on the mic during this wonderful week away. We would like to acknowledge every single person who toe’d the line in the 11, 22, 50, 100 km, and 100-mile distances. We appreciate the effort, courage, and sacrifice you and your families made to be here. We think you are very cool and tough, and we can’t wait to see you in 2027. Dirt Church Radio—Best Enjoyed Running. --- --- --- Episode Links Ruth Croft Beth McKenzie Dan Jones Adrian MacDonald Ultra Trail Australia by UTMB Sign up for the DCR AidStation newsletter. Dirt Church Radio on Instagram Dirt Church Radio on Facebook Further Faster New Zealand Enjoy! Music by Andrew McDowall, Digicake
We’ve had some big weeks in the running world. With some incredible performances and a new normal being established across the board, from 42.2 to 250 miles. Ali, Andrew, and Matt are here for it, and we have some questions as well. Is our sport, and the big tent that it has become, lost some of its sparkle, its unpredictability, its wonder? Now, every elite performance must surely hinge on the 1%ers. When is too much too much? Have accomplishment and performance been superseded by attention? Are races now cults of personality driven by an allegiance to race directors? When a brand’s identity overshadows the identity of its runners, is that a good thing? And we’re doping now? sorta? And surely in today’s day and age should we be encouraging elite road runners who have podcasts to shut the F*&k up as much as possible? especially when it comes to gender* Dirt Church Radio – Best Enjoyed Running. *I think we can all agree on this one. --- --- --- Episode Links Sign up for the DCR AidStation newsletter. Dirt Church Radio on Instagram Dirt Church Radio on Facebook Further Faster New Zealand Enjoy! Music by Andrew McDowall, Digicake
Kia ora e te whānau. Who is excited for UTA? Gosh, we certainly are. This week, Join Ali and Matt as they preview the elite fields in the miler, 100km, 50km, and 22km events at Ultra Trail Australia, as well as answer those last-minute questions that athletes have when staring an event like this in the face. This year, we’ve decided to do things a little differently, and Ali speaks with Ian ‘easy’ Meyer- one of the foundations of the course marking team, and event stalwart- to dive into the details of the course, what to expect, and the level of detail that goes into planning this incredible event. Dirt Church Radio—Best Enjoyed Running. --- --- --- Episode Links Ultra Trail Australia by UTMB Sign up for the DCR AidStation newsletter. Dirt Church Radio on Instagram Dirt Church Radio on Facebook Further Faster New Zealand Enjoy! Music by Andrew McDowall, Digicake
We’re not going to lie, there was a lot on the docket this week, and boy did Ali, Andrew, and Matt rip through it. We, the aforementioned, declare that Tamaki is now the distance-running capital of Aotearoa. And also that it is “mad nice” (Friedland, 2026). We charge that big companies should stop doing things that make them look like dicks, and that the Boston thing was sort of okay, and also we wonder if that dude that Jurek helped across the line at Western States ever got a sympathy cougar. READ THE RULES, PEOPLE. Attending to point 1. We salute Messers McLean, Wadams, Steel, Steel, & Steel for their spectacular efforts at the Faultline Miler. Andrew McDowall formally and unreservedly apologizes to Shaun Collins for his complete disregard for Trail Nav events in the North Island. We also discussed the little race in London over the weekend and the Wanaka Ultra. Mad Nice indeed. Dirt Church Radio – Best Enjoyed Running. --- --- --- Episode Links Sign up for the DCR AidStation newsletter. Dirt Church Radio on Instagram Dirt Church Radio on Facebook Further Faster New Zealand Enjoy! Music by Andrew McDowall, Digicake
Way back in 2023, when Eugene and Matt first spoke to Matt Bixley (on DCR 228 if you are interested), they were impressed not only by the attention he paid to detail in planning his adventures, the scope of the adventures - 18 Keplers (at the time) , a Barkley Marathons, a million rogaines, and an astounding back story, but the sheer ability of the man to spin a great yarn. Fast forward a couple of years, and we find out that not much has changed. Settle in for round two with Matt, this time with DCR’s Andrew McDowall. There’s been more Keplers, More Barkley Marathons, and even more adventures with a compass in hand, maybe even a broken rib in there too. I apologize in advance for the test cricket chat. Fun, free-wheeling, and always entertaining, we are stoked to bring you this conversation with the man who literally wrote the crib notes on the Kepler. Dirt Church Radio—Best Enjoyed Running. --- --- --- Episode Links Matt Bixley DCR 228 Sign up for the DCR AidStation newsletter. Matt Bixley’s Kepler Notes Dirt Church Radio on Instagram Dirt Church Radio on Facebook Further Faster New Zealand Enjoy! Music by Andrew McDowall, Digicake
Goodness me, we got through a bit on the Aidstation this week. From hard choices to boners (Yes, you read correctly). Better mental health and running strategies you can use every day. Paying to pace? yep, we go there too, and yep, Backyards aren't dead. Also, most importantly, I know, it’s not Mack or Mac, it’s Mc, as in McDowall, but goshdarnit, Andrew is back, and we’re all the better for it. Did we mention boners? Excellent stuff. Dirt Church Radio – Best Enjoyed Running. --- --- --- Episode Links Sign up for the DCR AidStation newsletter. Dirt Church Radio on Instagram Dirt Church Radio on Facebook Further Faster New Zealand Enjoy! Music by Andrew McDowall, Digicake
Kia ora e te whānau. This week, Ali Pottinger chats with Annie Hand, fresh off her second-place finish at the Six Foot Track Marathon. Hand, a Blue Mountain stalwart, completed the Ultra Trail Australia Miler in 2025 and is off for a lap of Mount Blanc in 2026. Annie and Ali talk about performance, Annie’s abiding love of the Blue Mountains, and the pleasant surprise of ending up on podiums in this excellent conversation you won’t want to miss. Also, don’t miss out on our Greatest Run Ever this week, a brotherly battle at the Delerious West. Also, we'd like to put The Goat Farm forward for best running club name ever. Dirt Church Radio—Best Enjoyed Running. --- --- --- Episode Links Sign up for the DCR AidStation newsletter. Annie Hand Instagram Dirt Church Radio on Instagram Dirt Church Radio on Facebook Further Faster New Zealand Enjoy! Music by Andrew McDowall, Digicake
The Tussock Traverse and/or the Ring of Fire is an event that you must do. 100%. We can’t really jazz it up more than that. If you like a unique mountain-running adventure that is both a grassroots event and offers the most incredible scenery, and world-class trails. After a tough couple of years, 2026 saw the event organisers putting it all on the line again. Ali and Matt run through the weekend and all the experiences therein, including a two-part tale of one of the greatest sporting battles of the last two decades. excellent stuff. Dirt Church Radio – Best Enjoyed Running. --- --- --- Episode Links The Tussock Traverse Sign up for the DCR AidStation newsletter. Dirt Church Radio on Instagram Dirt Church Radio on Facebook Further Faster New Zealand Enjoy! Music by Andrew McDowall, Digicake
Kia ora e te whānau. Paula Griffin is among the many professional athletes we’ve spoken to over the years who have pivoted from their original sport to trail running. Paula Griffin is the first professional netballer we’ve had on the podcast, so that’s really something. Paula speaks to Ali Pottinger about her life in professional netball (including becoming a Silver Fern), her pivot to MMA (of course), and then, after a circuitous route through motherhood and partnership, onto the trails, where she found her passion for this wonderful sport and inspiration to support other mums who love trail running. This is an incredible conversation between two incredible women that you won't want to miss. Dirt Church Radio—Best Enjoyed Running. --- --- --- Episode Links Paula Griffin Instagram Mums Who Trail Instagram Mums Who Trail Home Muriwai Sea Slugs Sign up for the DCR AidStation newsletter. Dirt Church Radio on Instagram Dirt Church Radio on Facebook Further Faster New Zealand Enjoy! Music by Andrew McDowall, Digicake
I don’t know, man. What’s in a name after all? We’re lucky enough that Matt’s youngest daughter isn’t called Skipper or Queenie (both names he went in hard for). Trying to decipher the lore behind a trail name is hard enough, right? This week on the AidStation, Matt and Ali talk about everything. From monetizing gravel *spoiler alert* Don’t do it! Salomon, we’re looking at you, to the end of the world, headlamps, hot bois, hot girls, trail crushes, and when is it too soon (or too late) to call a course change?? The AidStation podcast. Get in that chair, and let us make you a sandwich. Excellent Stuff. Dirt Church Radio – Best Enjoyed Running. --- --- --- Episode Links Sign up for the DCR AidStation newsletter. Dirt Church Radio on Instagram Dirt Church Radio on Facebook Further Faster New Zealand Enjoy! Music by Andrew McDowall, Digicake