The Divorce Podcast

Talking about mental health doesn’t come naturally to most dads — and divorce can make that even harder. Kate is joined by Mark Guthrie , Team Lead for our Assisted Divorce Service at amicable , a divorced dad and previously a professional McKenzie friend, to talk about why men struggle to open up during separation, and what can help. We talk about: Why mental health is so often overlooked for men going through divorce What a professional McKenzie friend is and how they can support you How abuse in relationships can show up during the divorce process Where to find support if you’re struggling to speak out This episode is for anyone navigating separation as a man, or who wants to understand what that experience can look like. Trigger warning: this episode touches on content that some listeners might find distressing, such as abuse and poor mental health. If you need support, ManKind Initiative , Men’s Advice Line , your GP , Mind , Samaritans (116 123), Women’s Aid , Refuge , and YoungMinds Crisis Messenger can all help. If your life is in danger, dial 999 . More divorce resources Need expert help right now? Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation. Want ongoing support through separation? Join amicable space for bonus podcast episodes, exclusive webinars and articles on emotional wellbeing and an interactive community where you can share questions and get expert advice from amicable specialists. Start your free trial here . Kate’s book amicable divorce includes dedicated chapters on emotional readiness and timing, navigating separation with kindness and rebuilding your identity and moving forward with confidence. Find it on Amazon today. Got a question for a future episode? Share your thoughts at podcasts@amicable.co.uk or through direct messages on Instagram . #EmotionalJourney

In partnership with Octopus Money Welcome back to our 3-part mini-series on The Divorce Podcast, on finance before, during and after divorce. This is the last part - all about helping you set up for a financial fresh start. It’s easy to think the financial work is done once a divorce is finalised – but this is actually where the rebuilding begins. Kate is joined again by Molly Haylett , Chartered Financial Planner at Octopus Money , to talk you through the main steps. We talk about: Why implementing your pension sharing order shouldn’t wait Getting familiar with your new cash flow Checking your will and pension beneficiary nominations reflect your wishes today Small, realistic habits for rebuilding savings and credit after divorce If you missed parts 1 and 2, go back and catch Molly’s tips on getting organised at the start of the process and making sense of the money mid-divorce. The discussions in this podcast, including the adviser's own experiences, are not personal recommendations. Please seek advice from an authorised adviser familiar with your circumstances before taking action. This podcast provides general information only and does not constitute regulated financial advice. Octopus Money is authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority. This content is intended for UK residents only and is based on UK regulation as of the date of recording. About Octopus Money Octopus Money is on a mission to make investing and money advice accessible to all – because we believe everyone deserves to feel confident about their future. You can get in touch with them to find out more on their website . More divorce resources Ready to get clear on your finances? Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation. Want ongoing support through separation? Join amicable space for bonus podcast episodes, exclusive webinars and articles on finances and an interactive community where you can share questions and get expert advice from amicable specialists. Start your free trial here . Kate’s book amicable divorce includes a dedicated chapter on navigating finances during separation, including reaching financial agreements based on your real needs (not just 50/50 splits) and guidance on commonly overlooked assets like pensions. Find it on Amazon today. Got a question for a future episode? Share your thoughts at podcasts@amicable.co.uk or through direct messages on Instagram . #Finances

In partnership with Octopus Money Welcome back to our 3-part mini-series on The Divorce Podcast, on finance before, during and after divorce. This is part 2. The two biggest things that come up in the middle of a divorce? The family home and pensions – and neither is as simple as it first looks. Kate is joined again by Molly Haylett, Chartered Financial Planner at Octopus Money , to unpack the biggest financial decisions you’ll face once you’re in the thick of the process. We talk about: How to get a reliable valuation on the family home, and the difference between selling and transferring Why mortgage capacity matters as much as the percentage split The difference between defined benefit and defined contribution pensions, and why it matters What a pension on divorce (POD) report is, and when it’s worth getting one If you missed part 1, go back and catch Molly’s tips for getting organised at the start of the process. Stay tuned for part 3, where we cover rebuilding your finances once your divorce is finalised. The discussions in this podcast, including the adviser's own experiences, are not personal recommendations. Please seek advice from an authorised adviser familiar with your circumstances before taking action. This podcast provides general information only and does not constitute regulated financial advice. Octopus Money is authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority. This content is intended for UK residents only and is based on UK regulation as of the date of recording. About Octopus Money Octopus Money is on a mission to make investing and money advice accessible to all – because we believe everyone deserves to feel confident about their future. You can get in touch with them to find out more on their website . More divorce resources Ready to get clear on your finances? Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation. Want ongoing support through separation? Join amicable space for bonus podcast episodes, exclusive webinars and articles on finances and an interactive community where you can share questions and get expert advice from amicable specialists. Start your free trial here . Kate’s book amicable divorce includes a dedicated chapter on navigating finances during separation, including reaching financial agreements based on your real needs (not just 50/50 splits) and guidance on commonly overlooked assets like pensions. Find it on Amazon today. Got a question for a future episode? Share your thoughts at podcasts@amicable.co.uk or through direct messages on Instagram . #Finances

In partnership with Octopus Money Welcome to our 3-part mini-series, packed with helpful tips on finances before your divorce process begins, during it, and how to start rebuilding afterwards. Before you can split anything fairly in a divorce, you need to know exactly what you've got – and not all pounds are equal, whether they're sitting in cash, property or a pension. Kate is joined by Molly Haylett , Chartered Financial Planner at Octopus Money , for tips on how to get your finances organised at the start of your divorce process. We talk about: Why getting a clear picture of your finances What people most commonly forget to include The biggest financial mistake people make at the start of divorce This episode is for anyone at the start of their divorce process who wants to feel informed and in control before the bigger financial decisions begin. Tune in next week to learn about finance during the divorce process. The discussions in this podcast, including the adviser's own experiences, are not personal recommendations. Please seek advice from an authorised adviser familiar with your circumstances before taking action. This podcast provides general information only and does not constitute regulated financial advice. Octopus Money is authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority. This content is intended for UK residents only and is based on UK regulation as of the date of recording. About Octopus Money Octopus Money is on a mission to make investing and money advice accessible to all – because we believe everyone deserves to feel confident about their future. You can get in touch with them to find out more on their website . More divorce resources Ready to get clear on your finances? Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation. Want ongoing support through separation? Join amicable space for bonus podcast episodes, exclusive webinars and articles on finances and an interactive community where you can share questions and get expert advice from amicable specialists. Start your free trial here . Kate’s book amicable divorce includes a dedicated chapter on navigating finances during separation, including reaching financial agreements based on your real needs (not just 50/50 splits) and guidance on commonly overlooked assets like pensions. Find it on Amazon today. Got a question for a future episode? Share your thoughts at hello@amicable.co.uk or through direct messages on Instagram . #Finances

If you're divorced and thinking about marrying again, you already know why the money conversation early on is so important. Watch the full episode on YouTube . Kate is joined by Andrew Bowker , co-founder of wedding booking platform Wedissimo , to talk about why honest conversations about money are the foundation of any relationship – and why prenups exist to have that conversation properly, not to plan for failure. In this episode, we cover: Why people remarrying after divorce approach money and prenups differently What a prenup is actually for Why agreements like these need revisiting as life changes Why younger generations find it easier to talk about money This episode is for anyone remarrying after separation or divorce, or anyone who wants to have a better money conversation with their partner from the get-go About Wedissimo Wedissimo is a UK wedding booking platform that makes it easy for couples to find, compare and book wedding suppliers online. Since launching, Wedissimo has helped thousands of couples book everything from photographers to celebrants, giving Andrew a unique perspective on how modern couples plan their weddings and prepare for marriage. Sources mentioned in this episode The £26,000 average cost of getting married: Financial Times, "The wedding racket: how tying the knot became so expensive," 26 April 2025. Generational attitudes to talking about money (baby boomers 50%, Gen Z 17% say it's vulgar to discuss): YouGov, "Is it vulgar to talk about money?" The UK government's prenuptial agreement proposals, including the 28-day pre-wedding signing requirement: "A Fairer End to Relationships," a government consultation that ran 5 June–14 August 2026. The consultation has now closed and a government response is pending. The UK's top 1% of households by wealth: Office for National Statistics, Wealth and Assets Survey , with a net wealth threshold of around £3.1 million (Round 8, April 2020–March 2022, published January 2025) to £3.6 million (April 2018–March 2020 round). More amicable resources Whether you're moving in together, getting married or getting divorced, amicable helps you navigate change together. Book a free 15-minute consultation for expert legal, financial and practical support. Got a question for a future episode? Share your thoughts at hello@amicable.co.uk or through direct messages on Instagram . #LifeAfter

If you've ever wondered whether heartbreak gets easier with age, or just different, this episode might surprise you. Watch the video version here . Kate is joined by Jemma Sbeg , host of The Psychology of Your 20s podcast and author of Person in Progress , to compare notes on breakups and grief across every life stage - from a first heartbreak in your twenties to divorce after twenty years together. We talk about: Jemma's 'three waves' model for processing a breakup, and why healing isn't a straight line What's genuinely different about heartbreak in your twenties versus later in life - and what stays exactly the same Why talking through the 'what ifs' with a partner can build a stronger relationship, not undermine it How making something creative out of heartbreak can turn it into one of your most valuable experiences This episode is for anyone who's been through a breakup or separation, at any age or stage - and anyone who's ever wondered if it really gets easier. Meet Jemma Sbeg Jemma is a host of a groundbreaking, globally recognized podcast, The Psychology of Your 20s , author of Person in progress and mental health advocate. The P sychology of your 20s begun back in 2021 after Jemma went through her first real heartbreak and was looking for a guide to all the confusing and chaotic feelings she was experiencing. It wasn't just the break-up, there were so many other experiences she was having as a 20-something that she wished she had some explanation for. Nobody would give her the straight up science, and all the self-help content she found seemed to just be opinions based. And so, The Psychology of your 20s was born with our first ever episode, fittingly titled 'The Psychology of Imposter Syndrome' which remains our most downloaded episode to date. To hear more from Jemma, listen to The Psychology of your 20s wherever you get your podcasts or yoiu can watch it on Netflix. You can also follow Jemma on Instagram and Substack . More divorce resources Need expert help right now? Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation. Want ongoing support as you rebuild after separation? Join amicable space for bonus podcast episodes, exclusive webinars and articles on on healing after heartbreak and an interactive community where you can share questions and get expert advice from amicable specialists. Start your free trial here . Kate’s book amicable divorce includes dedicated chapters on emotional readiness and timing, navigating separation with kindness and rebuilding your identity and moving forward with confidence. Find it on Amazon today. Got a question for a future episode? Share your thoughts at hello@amicable.co.uk or through direct messages on Instagram . #EmotionalJourney

Pensions are often the biggest asset in a marriage – sometimes bigger than the family home – yet they're the one most people overlook when they separate. Kate is joined by Josh Gordon , Head of Digital Retirement at Octopus Money , to bust some of the biggest pension myths in divorce. We talk about: The myth that a pension in your name is yours alone What a PODE (Pension on Divorce Expert) report is, and how it helps you understand what your pensions are really worth Compounding explained – and why the years matter as much as the amount Why your pension might actually be more valuable than the house This episode is for anyone who's tempted to leave pensions until last – and wants to make sure they're not leaving value on the table. amicable and Octopus Money have co-created the PODE product discussed. Meet Josh Gordon Josh is Head of Digital Retirement at Octopus Money . He’s spent over 20 years working in financial services. As a Chartered Financial Planner, Josh helps people going through divorce understand what their pension assets are really worth, and what a fair outcome looks like. Working with individuals, solicitors, and mediators across England and Wales, providing independent PODE reports in plain language, with no surprises on cost. Josh believes the process of getting expert pension advice during divorce should be straightforward and transparent, not another source of stress. Part of the Octopus Money family, his team combines genuine financial expertise with the kind of clear communication that people going through a difficult time actually need. Learn more about PODE reports here . Sources Office for National Statistics, Divorces in England and Wales, 2019 : Average age at divorce: 42 for women, 45 for men, as cited from ONS data by Stowe Family Law. More divorce resources Need expert help right now? Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation. Want ongoing support as you rebuild after separation? Join amicable space for bonus podcast episodes, exclusive webinars and articles on on healing after heartbreak and an interactive community where you can share questions and get expert advice from amicable specialists. Start your free trial here . Kate’s book amicable divorce includes a dedicated chapter on navigating finances during separation, including reaching financial agreements based on your real needs (not just 50/50 splits) and guidance on commonly overlooked assets like pensions. Find it on Amazon today. Got a question for a future episode? Share your thoughts at hello@amicable.co.uk or through direct messages on Instagram . #Finances

Ten years on from her divorce, actor and comedian Sally Phillips can look back with humour, honesty and hard-won perspective on her divorce and the life she's built since. In this episode, Kate is joined by Sally Phillips – star of 'Miranda', 'Veep' and the 'Bridget Jones' films, and co-creator of the Emmy-winning 'Smack the Pony' – for a warm and often very funny conversation about separation, starting again and everything she's learned along the way. We talk about: How Sally knew her marriage was 'on the skids' – and why she avoided facing it Separating as a parent of neurodivergent children Discovering she was going through perimenopause during her divorce – and the difference it might have made Finding love again – and what makes a relationship work second time round What Sally learned about herself, resilience and building a life on the other side Whether you're at the start of a separation or years down the line, this is a conversation full of hope, honesty and laughter. Meet Sally Phillips Sally Phillips is an English actor, writer, comedian, producer and director, and an executive producer at Captain Dolly. She's best known for TV comedies including I'm Alan Partridge, Jam and Jerusalem, Miranda and Veep, the Bridget Jones films, and shows like Taskmaster and QI. She began in the Oxford Revue and went on to co-write and develop the ground-breaking female-led sketch show Smack the Pony, which won two international Emmys. Her many credits since include Green Wing, Friday Night Dinner, Breeders, Channel 4's Big Mood and the BBC's We Might Regret This, alongside film roles in How to Please a Woman, Off The Rails and Pride Prejudice and Zombies. Sally has three neurodivergent children. Her son, who has Down syndrome and autism, is a self-advocate, and together they made the award-winning 2016 documentary A World Without Down's Syndrome? She's a joint patron of the Down's Syndrome Association with Olly, and a patron of The Brentford , Brentford FC’s Down Syndrome Team, and Josephine and Jack, a charity that provides sex and relationship advice and education to adults with learning disabilities. You can catch Sally in Austin second series and The Hairdresser's Mysteries on BBC iPlayer. More divorce resources Feeling ready to take practical steps forward? Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation. Want ongoing support as you rebuild after separation? Join amicable space for bonus podcast episodes, exclusive webinars and articles on emotional wellbeing and an interactive community where you can share questions and get expert advice from amicable specialists. Start your free trial here . Kate’s book amicable divorce includes dedicated chapters on emotional readiness and timing, navigating separation with kindness and rebuilding your identity and moving forward with confidence. Find it on Amazon today. Got a question for a future episode? Share your thoughts at hello@amicable.co.uk or through direct messages on Instagram . #SeparationStories

If you're wondering whether things really do get better after divorce, this episode is proof that they can - one step at a time. Kate is joined by Michelle Lynne , a Canadian concert pianist and singer, who shares how she found her way back to herself after a painful divorce, and turned that journey into her debut album. In this episode, we cover: How Michelle found her way back to herself after divorce How a creative outlet can help you sit with grief instead of rushing past it Why it's ok to tell people what you actually need from them What it took to turn Michelle’s experience into her debut album, One Step at a Time This episode is for anyone who feels lost after a relationship ending and looking for a creative way to process a difficult season. Trigger warning: this episode touches on poor mental health, including thoughts of suicide, alongside grief and divorce-related trauma. If any of this feels close to home, please take care while listening - support is available from Mind , Samaritans , or your GP . Meet Michelle Lynne Canadian pianist, singer and speaker Michelle Lynne is known for her dynamic, communicative performances and her ability to forge warm, personal connections with audiences. Appearing frequently as a chamber musician, collaborative pianist, and educator, she is currently on tour in Europe and has performed for over 250,000 people, most recently in the Eiffel Tower. Her debut album One Step at a Time released Nov 2025, and was born out of her own journey through a painful divorce. You can find out more about Michelle on her website and make sure to follow her on Instagram and you can listen to her debut album One Step at a Time on Spotify . More divorce resources Need expert help right now? Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation. Want ongoing support as you rebuild after separation? Join amicable space for bonus podcast episodes, exclusive webinars and articles on healing after divorce and an interactive community where you can share questions and get expert advice from amicable specialists. Start your free trial here . Kate’s book amicable divorce includes dedicated chapters on emotional readiness and timing, navigating separation with kindness and rebuilding your identity and moving forward with confidence. Find it on Amazon today. Got a question for a future episode? Share your thoughts at hello@amicable.co.uk or through direct messages on Instagram . #LifeAfter

If you're navigating work travel while co-parenting, this episode will help you plan around it without the guilt, or the arguments. In this episode, Kate Daly shares practical advice on how to plan childcare, communicate with your co-parent, and build a support network so work travel doesn't disrupt your co-parenting relationship or your children's routines. In this episode, we cover: Why work travel feels different once you're co-parenting How to agree a parenting plan for travel Why your co-parent isn't your default childcare, and what to do instead Keeping your co-parent in the loop and staying connected with your kids while you're away This episode is for co-parents whose work involves travel, or anyone working out childcare arrangements beyond the usual routine. More divorce resources Need expert help right now? Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation. Or explore our Separating with Children Service – a 90-minute joint session with a Co-parenting Specialist tailored to your family’s needs. Want ongoing support through separation? Join amicable space for bonus podcast episodes, exclusive webinars and articles on co-parenting and an interactive community where you can share questions and get expert advice from amicable specialists. Start your free trial here . Kate’s book amicable divorce includes dedicated chapters on co-parenting, with practical guidance on supporting your children's wellbeing, talking to them in age-appropriate ways and building a cooperative co-parenting relationship that reduces conflict. Find it on Amazon today. Want to stay organised as co-parents? Download our free Parenting Plan template to help you and your co-parent agree on shared goals, routines and decision-making – with your children at the centre. Try the amicable co-parenting app free for three months. Share calendars, track expenses and communicate clearly. iPhone: Redeem your three months free via this link Android: Download the app and create an account. At the paywall, choose your payment method, select 'Redeem code' and enter DIVORCEPODCAST. #Coparenting

What do you show your children when you decide your marriage has to end? Kate is joined by Buzzy Randall , a hospitality consultant, to talk about how she chose to model strength, honesty and self-worth for her daughters throughout her divorce. We talk about: Why being a role model to your children throughout your relationship and separation matters Showing up honestly for your kids, including the moments you don't have it all together The shame and stigma that can surround divorce, especially when infidelity's involved Why having someone else who's been through something similar can make all the difference Rebuilding your self-identity, confidence and ability to make decisions for yourself ⚠️ Trigger warning: this episode touches on infidelity and the emotional impact of divorce and separation. This episode is for anyone thinking about what their separation is teaching their children. You're not alone in this – if this episode resonated, share it with someone who might need it right now. Meet Buzzy Randall Buzzy is a hospitality consultant, entrepreneur, classically trained chef, and currently a Masters Psychology student at the University of Leicester. With more than twenty years' experience in hospitality, including senior creative and operational roles within luxury hotels and events, she has built a career around creating meaningful experiences and supporting people to thrive. Following her own experience of divorce after an eighteen-year marriage, Buzzy became passionate about conversations around separation, resilience, identity and rebuilding life after significant change. Through her writing, podcasting and studies in psychology and counselling, she explores how people navigate loss, rediscover themselves, and create fulfilling new chapters. To hear more from Buzzy follow her on Instagram and listen to her podcast The Big D . More divorce resources Need expert help right now? Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation. Or explore our Separating with Children Service – a 90-minute joint session with a Co-parenting Specialist tailored to your family’s needs. Want ongoing support as you rebuild after separation? Join amicable space for bonus podcast episodes, exclusive webinars and articles on co-parenting and an interactive community where you can share questions and get expert advice from amicable specialists. Start your free trial here . Kate’s book amicable divorce includes dedicated chapters on co-parenting, with practical guidance on supporting your children's wellbeing, talking to them in age-appropriate ways and building a cooperative co-parenting relationship that reduces conflict. Find it on Amazon today. Got a question for a future episode? Share your thoughts at press@amicable.co.uk or through direct messages on Instagram . #SeparationStories

If you've seen the headlines about 'divorce rings' and wondered whether they're a passing trend or something more meaningful, this episode is for you. In this in-brief episode, Kate unpacks what's really behind the rise of divorce rings – and why they're about a lot more than jewellery. In this episode, we cover: What a divorce ring actually is How reclaiming choice and identity plays into the trend The difference between behaving amicably and feeling amicable, and why that gap is completely normal Kate's own way of marking the end of her marriage This episode is for anyone going through separation or divorce who's looking for their own way to mark this chapter, and for anyone curious about why this trend is getting so much attention. More divorce resources Feeling ready to take practical steps forward? Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation. Want ongoing support as you rebuild after separation? Join amicable space for bonus podcast episodes, exclusive webinars and articles on emotional wellbeing and an interactive community where you can share questions and get expert advice from amicable specialists. Start your free trial here . Kate’s book amicable divorce includes dedicated chapters on emotional readiness and timing, navigating separation with kindness and rebuilding your identity and moving forward with confidence. Find it on Amazon today. Got a question for a future episode? Share your thoughts at press@amicable.co.uk or through direct messages on Instagram . #LifeAfterDivorce

What happens when you finally stop ignoring your gut - and discover that everything you went through was leading you somewhere better? In this episode, I'm joined by multi-award-winning comedy impressionist J ess Robinson to hear her honest and uplifting story of separation, starting over and finding unexpected happiness as a stepmum. In this episode, Jess talks about: What the end of her marriage looked like, and how she processed it The shame she felt around her separation, and how she moved through it Dating again, and how she met her husband Building a blended family, and what the stepmum role really means to her Why going through hard times can lead you exactly where you're meant to be This episode is for anyone who's been through a separation and is wondering what comes next - especially if you're navigating new relationships or a blended family. ⚠️ This episode contains some adult themes - take care while listening If this episode resonated with you, follow The Divorce Podcast for honest, expert support whenever you need it. Meet Jess Robinson Jess Robinson is a multi-award-winning comedy impressionist and classically trained singer recognised as the UK's pre-eminent female impressionist. A household name in comedy and impressions since her viral Britain's Got Talent semi-final in 2017, she has since starred as lead voice artist on Spitting Image, appeared regularly on Channel 4's The Last Leg and BBC's Dead Ringers, and performed to sell-out crowds at iconic venues including the London Palladium and the Royal Albert Hall. She is also an experienced voice artist, lending her talents to Aardman, DreamWorks, Netflix and Disney, and hosted the British Podcast Award-winning show Stars In Your Ears. You can learn more about Jess on her website , and follow her on Instagram and Facebook to stay up to date. You can also catch her show, 'Elton Reimagined' , in Edinburgh this August - book your tickets today . More divorce resources Need expert help right now? Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation. Want ongoing support as you rebuild after separation? Join amicable space for bonus podcast episodes, exclusive webinars and articles on emotional wellbeing and an interactive community where you can share questions and get expert advice from amicable specialists. Start your free trial here . Kate’s book amicable divorce includes dedicated chapters on emotional readiness and timing, navigating separation with kindness and rebuilding your identity and moving forward with confidence. Find it on Amazon today. Got a question for a future episode? Share your thoughts at hello@amicable.co.uk or through direct messages on Instagram . #SeparationStories

Cutting out the solicitor and letting AI draft your consent order sounds like a money-saver. But this is the legally binding document that settles your finances for good - and getting it wrong could cost you far more than you'd save. Kate is joined by two members of the amicable team - Divorce Specialist Lucy Huscroft and Head of Product Hugo Ostyn - to unpick where AI genuinely helps with a consent order, and where you need an expert’s help. We talk about: What a consent order is and why it matters for a clean break in divorce How AI can help with your consent order – and where it's best used Why a person still beats AI when it comes to consent orders – and main limitations to watch out for This episode is for anyone tempted to use AI to sort out their divorce finances, and who wants to understand where it helps and where it could go wrong. Mentioned in this episode R (Ayinde) v London Borough of Haringey [2025] EWHC 1383 (Admin) — a UK High Court case where AI-generated, fictitious case law was put before the court, leading to wasted costs orders Mata v Avianca, Inc. (2023) — the US case where lawyers submitted AI-hallucinated case citations Research by Fanous et al. (2025) finding that leading AI models changed their answers close to 60% of the time when challenged King's College London research on people turning to AI for help: around one in seven have used AI instead of seeing a GP, and one in five who use it for health advice say it discouraged them from seeking professional care About our guests Hugo is the Head of Product at amicable . With over 10 years of experience, he has helped both startups and established companies build and launch new products. He brings a user-first mindset and a data-driven approach to help make divorce kinder and more transparent. Lucy qualified as a Chartered Legal Executive specialising in family law and practiced in law for several years before joining amicable . Lucy uses this experience to ensure customers get the best possible result for their own unique circumstances and that of their families. Lucy's experience in family as well as conveyancing means she is super practical in helping people consider the implementation of their agreements. More divorce resources Need expert help right now? Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation. Want ongoing support through separation? Join amicable space for bonus podcast episodes, exclusive webinars and articles on the legal side of divorce and an interactive community where you can share questions and get expert advice from amicable specialists. Start your free trial here . Kate’s book amicable divorce includes a dedicated chapter on demystifying the legal process – from no-fault divorce to consent orders, translated into plain English so you can make informed decisions with confidence. Find it on Amazon today. Got a question for a future episode? Share your thoughts at hello@amicable.co.uk or through direct messages on Instagram . #Legal

This week, we want to revisit a particularly helpful episode with Jo Thurston from Parent Talk to discuss why summer holidays can be so tricky for single parents and share some simple tips for making them more manageable and fun. Without the school routine and longer days in the sun, it’s an important time to create new memories and enjoy new activities with your children. However, summer as a single parent can be challenging when you’re doing all of this solo. It might involve more schedules, additional childcare and juggling high expectations. Kate and Jo start by explaining why summer holidays can be challenging for single parents, and when’s a good time to start planning them. There are also some tips on how not to over-plan! Here are some of the points they cover in this episode to help single parents this summer: How to navigate holiday costs Where you can look for affordable activities to fit your budget and available time Communication tips with your co-parent Staying flexible and willing to adjust your schedule Why involving your children in holiday planning could be a good idea Meet Jo Thurston Jo is a co-ordinator at Action for Children’s Parent Talk service , which offers free online advice for parents and carers of children aged 0-19, or up to 25 where a young person has special educational needs. Its confidential 1:1 live chat service connects parents and carers directly to an experienced parenting coach for judgement-free practical advice and emotional support, while its online articles answer some of the most common parenting questions. Jo first joined Action for Children in 2018 as a Family Support worker in a Children’s Centre. She has a background working in schools and pastoral care and has a particular interest in supporting families impacted by SEND. More divorce resources Need expert help right now? Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation. Or explore our Separating with Children Service – a 90-minute joint session with a Co-parenting Specialist tailored to your family’s needs. Want ongoing support through separation? Join amicable space for bonus podcast episodes, exclusive webinars and articles on co-parenting and an interactive community where you can share questions and get expert advice from amicable specialists. Start your free trial here . Kate’s book amicable divorce includes dedicated chapters on co-parenting, with practical guidance on supporting your children's wellbeing, talking to them in age-appropriate ways and building a cooperative co-parenting relationship that reduces conflict. Find it on Amazon today. Want to stay organised as co-parents? Download our free Parenting Plan template to help you and your co-parent agree on shared goals, routines and decision-making – with your children at the centre. Try the amicable co-parenting app free for three months. Share calendars, track expenses and communicate clearly. iPhone: Redeem your three months free via this link Android: Download the app and create an account. At the paywall, choose your payment method, select 'Redeem code' and enter DIVORCEPODCAST. Got a question for a future episode? Share your thoughts at hello@amicable.co.uk or through direct messages on Instagram . #Coparenting

Children were once seen as their father's property. So how did we get from there to a family court system that tries – however imperfectly – to put their welfare first? Kate is joined by Lara Feigel , author and professor at King's College London, to draw a comprehensive timeline of the family courts, from a time when children were seen as their father's property right through to today. We talk about: How the family court developed in England and Wales over the centuries – from a system that treated children as property to one that tries to hear their voice How that compares internationally – and why we so often followed rather than led When the voice of the child started to matter, and how it's heard today Why the family court should be the last reort for separating couples This episode is for anyone curious about how the family courts came to be, and why – where it's safe to – staying out of court is so often the kinder, calmer path. A note before you listen: this episode touches on the death of a child and domestic abuse. Please take care while listening. If you need support, these organisations can help: Women's Aid – womensaid.org.uk Refuge – refuge.org.uk ManKind Initiative – mankind.org.uk Men's Advice Line – mensadviceline.org.uk Mind – mind.org.uk Samaritans – dial 116 123 or text SHOUT to 85258 If your life is in danger, dial 999 A note on the word 'custody' You'll hear the word 'custody' used throughout this episode – both in the historical context Lara explores and in the title of her book. It's also a term many people still use in everyday conversation when talking about their children after separation. But in England and Wales today, 'custody' isn't actually a legal term. It was replaced under the Children Act 1989, which shifted the focus away from one parent 'winning' and the other 'losing', and towards something more constructive: child arrangements. The language courts use now is 'lives with' and 'spends time with' – because the goal is for children to have meaningful, loving relationships with both parents wherever it's safe to do so. At amicable, we use 'child arrangements' rather than 'custody' for exactly this reason. The words we use shape how we think – and 'arrangements' puts children's needs at the centre, rather than parents' rights. About Lara Feigel Lara Feigel is the author of Custody: The Secret History of Mothers – one of the Economist’s best books of 2026. This is a history of child arrangements from 1800 told through the stories of several families. She is a professor at King’s College London and the author of five other books on cultural history and a novel. You can find Lara’s book Custody: The Secret History of Mothers on Amazon and you can read more of her writing on the Right to Equality website . More divorce resources Need expert help right now? Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation. Or explore our Separating with Children Service – a 90-minute joint session with a Co-parenting Specialist tailored to your family’s needs. Want ongoing support through separation? Join amicable space for bonus podcast episodes, exclusive webinars and articles on co-parenting and an interactive community where you can share questions and get expert advice from amicable specialists. Start your free trial here . Kate’s book amicable divorce includes dedicated chapters on co-parenting, with practical guidance on supporting your children's wellbeing, talking to them in age-appropriate ways and building a cooperative co-parenting relationship that reduces conflict. Find it on Amazon today. Want to stay organised as co-parents? Download our free Parenting Plan template to help you and your co-parent agree on shared goals, routines and decision-making – with your children at the centre. Try the amicable co-parenting app free for three months. Share calendars, track expenses and communicate clearly. iPhone: Redeem your three months free via this link Android: Download the app and create an account. At the paywall, choose your payment method, select 'Redeem code' and enter DIVORCEPODCAST. Got a question for a future episode? Share your thoughts at hello@amicable.co.uk or through direct messages on Instagram . #Legal

What happens when you find love again after losing your partner - and that second love story ends too? Bereavement and divorce are widely cited as the two most stressful life events a person can go through – and Rosie Moss has lived both. Widowed suddenly in her thirties with three young children, Rosie found love again – and then walked through the breakdown of that second marriage. She joins Kate not to talk about how hard it's been, but about what's grown out of it. Rosie is host of the award-winning podcast Widowed AF and author of the bestselling book Widowed As F**k . Together, Kate and Rosie explore love, loss, dating again and learning to like yourself through it all. We talk about: Meeting someone through shared grief - and what happens when a relationship is fast-tracked by loss Helping children make sense of a step-parent leaving their lives Dating again as both a widow and a divorcee Protecting your peace and discovering the strength you didn't know you had This episode is for anyone navigating loss and separation, dating again after divorce or bereavement, or simply trying to make sense of what comes next when life takes a turn you didn't plan for. Trigger warning: This episode discusses bereavement, mental health and alcohol use. If you're affected by anything discussed, you can call Samaritans free on 116 123, or text SHOUT to 85258. Meet Rosie Moss Rosie Moss is the host of the award-winning podcast Widowed AF and author of the bestselling book Widowed As F**k . Widowed suddenly in her thirties with three young children, she found love again - and now speaks openly about what happens when that second relationship doesn't work out, and how hard it is to protect children while everything is shifting around them. Her work focuses on the overlap between grief, separation and long-term stress, and how these experiences shape decision-making, resilience and recovery - particularly for women balancing it all. Through her podcast and writing, Rosie has built a global community by challenging the clichés around grief and divorce, and focusing on what life actually looks like when you're in the middle of it. Follow Rosie on Instagram to learn more about her journey. More divorce resources Need expert help right now? Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation. Want ongoing support through separation? Join amicable space for bonus podcast episodes, exclusive webinars and articles on co-parenting and an interactive community where you can share questions and get expert advice from amicable specialists. Start your free trial here . Kate’s book amicable divorce includes dedicated chapters on emotional readiness and timing, navigating separation with kindness and rebuilding your identity and moving forward with confidence. Find it on Amazon today. Got a question for a future episode? Share your thoughts at hello@amicable.co.uk or through direct messages on Instagram . #SeparationStory

Family court is the part of divorce most people hope to avoid – and for good reason. But if it becomes part of your journey, knowing what to expect can change everything. Kate is joined by Beth Kirkland from AdviceNow to talk about what happens when court becomes unavoidable, what it actually feels like to walk into one and how to give yourself the best chance if you're representing yourself. We talk about: How AdviceNow can help if you're going through a divorce or separation The reasons couples end up in family court – and why it should be a last resort What court actually feels like and what the common myths and misconceptions are Beth's practical advice to anyone facing court without legal representation This episode is for anyone navigating divorce or separation in England and Wales who wants to understand the family court process – whether court feels close, or you simply want to know your options before things escalate. A note before you listen: this episode includes references to domestic abuse and coercive control. If you're affected by anything we discuss, you'll find support organisations listed at the bottom of this description. Support organisations: Women's Aid – womensaid.org.uk Refuge – refuge.org.uk ManKind Initiative – mankind.org.uk Men's Advice Line – mensadviceline.org.uk Mind – mind.org.uk Samaritans – dial 116 123 or text SHOUT to 85258 If your life is in danger, dial 999 The statistic Beth references comes from the Everyday Business report, published by the Domestic Abuse Commissioner in October 2025, which found evidence of domestic abuse in 73% of observed family court cases and 87% of case files involving children. Read the full report here . About AdviceNow AdviceNow is a UK-based not-for-profit organisation and charity that increases access to justice by helping people to deal with life's legal problems. They provide legal support, including information, legal self-help tools, and training to help people use the law. You can access free resources for divorce and separation that Beth mentions in the episode on AdviceNow website , and you can watch a video about the experience of family court with some helpful tips here . More divorce resources Ready to understand your options? Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation. Want ongoing support through separation? Join amicable space for bonus podcast episodes, exclusive webinars and articles on the legal side of divorce and an interactive community where you can share questions and get expert advice from amicable specialists. Start your free trial here . Kate’s book amicable divorce includes a clear breakdown of the different ways to separate, from solicitor-led routes to mediation to cooperative services like amicable, so you can choose what fits your situation. Find it on Amazon today. Got a question for a future episode? Share your thoughts at hello@amicable.co.uk or through direct messages on Instagram . #Legal

Supporting your children through separation goes so much further than one difficult conversation - but knowing how to keep showing up for them is something many parents struggle with. Kate is joined by Hannah Strong , therapist, separated mum and founder of My Thriving Child, to explore what children really need from their parents during and after a separation. Drawing on science, psychology and her own lived experience, Hannah shares her framework for helping children not just cope - but thrive. We talk about: Why it's not about getting it perfect – and the reassuring research behind that What's really going on in your child's brain when family life changes How to spot the signs your child might be struggling, even when they seem fine Why the first conversation about your separation is just the beginning The small everyday actions that help your children build security and thrive This episode is for any parent going through separation who wants to do right by their children - whether they're at the very start of the process or years down the line. Meet Hannah Strong Hannah Strong is a therapist, coach and separated mum who specialises in helping parents to support their children in the best way possible through divorce - so their children do not just survive, but genuinely thrive. You can learn more about how Hannah can help your family on the My Thriving Child website and you can follow her on Instagram for more helpful tips. More divorce resources Need expert help right now? Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation. Or explore our Separating with Children Service – a 90-minute joint session with a Co-parenting Specialist tailored to your family’s needs. Want ongoing support through separation? Join amicable space for bonus podcast episodes, exclusive webinars and articles on co-parenting and an interactive community where you can share questions and get expert advice from amicable specialists. Start your free trial here . Kate’s book amicable divorce includes dedicated chapters on co-parenting, with practical guidance on supporting your children's wellbeing, talking to them in age-appropriate ways and building a cooperative co-parenting relationship that reduces conflict. Find it on Amazon today. Want to stay organised as co-parents? Download our free Parenting Plan template to help you and your co-parent agree on shared goals, routines and decision-making – with your children at the centre. Try the amicable co-parenting app free for three months. Share calendars, track expenses and communicate clearly. iPhone: Redeem your three months free via this link Android: Download the app and create an account. At the paywall, choose your payment method, select 'Redeem code' and enter DIVORCEPODCAST. Got a question for a future episode? Share your thoughts at hello@amicable.co.uk or through direct messages on Instagram . Sources referenced in this episode Tronick, E. Z., & Gianino, A. F. (1986). The Transmission of Maternal Disturbance to the Infant. In E. Z. Tronick & T. Field (Eds.), Maternal Depression and Infant Disturbance (New Directions for Child Development, No. 34, pp. 5-11). Jossey-Bass. Amato, P. R., Loomis, L. S., & Booth, A. (1995). Parental Divorce, Marital Conflict, and Offspring Well-Being During Early Adulthood. Social Forces, 73(3), 895-915. Kelly, J. B., & Emery, R. E. (2003). Children's Adjustment Following Divorce: Risk and Resilience Perspectives. Family Relations, 52(4), 352-362. Masten, A. S. (2001). Ordinary Magic: Resilience Processes in Development. American Psychologist, 56(3), 227–238. Luthar, S. S., Cicchetti, D., & Becker, B. (2000). The Construct of Resilience: A Critical Evaluation and Guidelines for Future Work. Child Development, 71(3), 543–562. Rutter, M. (2012). Resilience as a Dynamic Concept. Development and Psychopathology, 24(2), 335–344. Masten, A. S., & Reed, M.-G. J. (2002). Resilience in Development. In C. R. Snyder & S. J. Lopez (Eds.), Handbook of Positive Psychology (pp. 74–88). Oxford University Press. Werner, E. E., & Smith, R. S. (1992). Overcoming the Odds: High Risk Children from Birth to Adulthood. Cornell University Press. Bowlby, J. (1969/1982). Attachment and Loss. Vol. 1: Attachment. Ainsworth, M. D. S., Blehar, M. C., Waters, E., & Wall, S. (1978). Patterns of Attachment. Sroufe, L. A., Egeland, B., Carlson, E., & Collins, W. A. (2005). The Development of the Person: The Minnesota Study of Risk and Adaptation from Birth to Adulthood. van IJzendoorn, M. H., & Sagi-Schwartz, A. (2008). Cross-Cultural Patterns of Attachment: Universal and Contextual Dimensions. In Handbook of Attachment (2nd ed.). #Coparenting

200 episodes of honest, hopeful conversations about divorce – here are the moments that stayed with us. To mark our 200th episode, we're looking back at some of the conversations that have meant the most – to us and to you. From day one, The Divorce Podcast has been part of amicable's mission to change the way people separate, making divorce kinder, fairer and a little less lonely. This special episode brings together the honest, funny and moving moments that capture exactly why we do it. In this episode, you'll hear from: Ella Kenion – on co-parenting, and why the thought of an ex meeting someone new can still sting Emma Campbell – on the emotional weight of single parenting Emma Reed Turrell – on the difference between kindness and people pleasing Hal Cruttenden – on how hard many men find it to open up Jonathan Fitter-Harding – on the day-to-day reality of 'nesting' and co-parenting with kindness Ebele Okobi – on grief, growth and an unexpected reconciliation This episode is for anyone navigating separation who could use a reminder that they're not alone – and a lovely place to start if you're new to the podcast. So many of you have told us how much the podcast has helped over the years, and that means everything. If someone you know might need it too, please share this episode with them. Trigger warning: This episode touches on themes that some people might find distressing, including serious illness, bereavement and times of low mood. If you're affected by anything discussed, you can call Samaritans free on 116 123, or text SHOUT to 85258. Meet our guests Ella Kenion is an actress with a long and varied career across stage and screen, with highlights including 'The Outlaws', 'The Detectorists' and 'Midsomer Murders'. Emma Campbell is an author, speaker and podcast host, known to her Instagram followers as Limitless Em . Emma Reed Turrell is a psychotherapist, clinical supervisor, podcaster and author of Please Yourself: How to Stop People-Pleasing and Transform the Way You Live and What Am I Missing? Discover the Four Blind Spots That are Holding You Back and How to Overcome Them . Hal Cruttenden is a stand-up comedian, actor and podcaster. In his latest show, Hal Cruttenden: Can Dish It Out But Can't Take It , he discussed the devastation of his divorce - after 20 years of marriage his wife left him. Jonathan Fitter-Harding is a proud dad of two, a creative entrepreneur and one of the key people behind Pride Canterbury - the main LGBTQ+ event in the South East. Ebele Okobi is the principal of Revolutionary Projects, an advisor, board member and maker of good trouble with 25 years of experience leading global teams across tech, consumer brands and arts institutions. More divorce resources Need expert help right now? Book a free 15-minute consultation with an amicable expert for guidance on the legal, financial, emotional or co-parenting aspects of separation. Want ongoing support as you rebuild after separation? Join amicable space for bonus podcast episodes, exclusive webinars and articles on emotional wellbeing and an interactive community where you can share questions and get expert advice from amicable specialists. Start your free trial here . We're giving away a copy of Kate’s book amicable divorce . To enter, just email us at hello@amicable.co.uk with the subject 'The Divorce Podcast' by the 30th of June, and we'll pick a winner at random. Got a question for a future episode? Share your thoughts at hello@amicable.co.uk or through direct messages on Instagram . #SeparationStories