The Retirement Wisdom Podcast

What does it really mean to take charge of your health? Lucy McBride MD, believes it involves much more than tracking your numbers. Good health is also about understanding the less measurable parts: what’s happening in your life, your relationships, stress, habits, emotional patterns, and your history. Dr. Lucy McBride, a primary care physician and author of Beyond the Prescription: A Doctor’s Guide to Taking Charge of Your Health , joins us to discuss how to become a more informed, proactive annd empowered partner in your own healthcare. We discuss the difference between control and agency, why your bio contains important health data, the “patient personality” each of us brings into the doctor’s office, when health tracking helps (and when it doesn’t) and why the transition to retirement can make structure, movement, social connection, and daily routines even more important. Lucy McBride, MD joins us from Washington DC. _________________________ Bio Dr. Lucy McBride is a board-certified internist who has practiced primary care medicine in Washington, DC, for over two decades. She is a native Washingtonian who attended the National Cathedral School before earning her undergraduate degree from Princeton University. She graduated with honors from Harvard Medical School and earned a Master’s Degree in Pharmacology as a Fulbright Scholar at the University of Cambridge, U.K. She completed her internship and residency in Internal Medicine at Johns Hopkins Hospital. Dr. McBride has become a nationally recognized voice in healthcare transformation and patient empowerment. She believes that health is not a checklist or an outcome, but rather a lifelong process that requires awareness, acceptance, and agency over what you can change. She is the author of Beyond the Prescription: A Doctor’s Guide to Taking Charge of Your Health (Simon & Schuster, August 2026), which offers a five-step framework for patients to reclaim agency over their health. The book has been praised for bridging the gap between conventional medicine and holistic wellness, refusing false binaries and empowering patients to make informed decisions. She writes the widely-read medical newsletter Are You Okay? , which reaches over 39,000 subscribers weekly with evidence-based guidance on navigating mental and physical health in tandem. She also hosts the top-rated podcast Beyond the Prescription . Dr. McBride’s work has been published in The Atlantic, The Washington Post, and USA Today. She is a frequent media commentator, appearing on NPR, CNN, MSNBC, Morning Joe, and PBS NewsHour, where she provides evidence-based medical advice and advocates for a more comprehensive approach to healthcare. Her mission extends beyond individual patient care to transforming the healthcare system itself. She believes that empowering individual patients creates systemic change—and that primary care relationships, enhanced by technology but centered on human connection, are the foundation of sustainable healthcare transformation. Dr. McBride lives in Washington, DC with her husband and three children. _______________________ For More on Lucy McBride Beyond the Prescription: A Doctor’s Guide to Taking Charge of Your Health Beyond the Prescription Podcast You can learn more about Dr. McBride here . You can subscribe to her free newsletter here . _______________________ Other Retirement Podcasts You’ll Love Eat Your Ice Cream – Ezekiel Emanuel, MD, PhD What Matters Most – Diane Button Inside The Healthcare Heist – Jordan Grumet, MD _______________________ Wise Quotes On Agency “People often don’t realize how much agency they have over their health…When we stop fighting unwinnable battles, we then open up brain space, time, energy to then fight the battles we want to be fighting. That’s the birthplace of agency.” On Your Story & Your Health “We love collecting data. Cholesterol levels, blood pressure, body mass index, right? All the things we can measure in a test tube. But it turns out the most important data is actually something only you have access to. It’s your biography. Your biographic data matters, I would argue, even more than your biometric data, and your biographic data informs your biometric data.” On Self-Compassion “When I was able to connect the dots between her story, which is very relevant, those biographic pieces of data from when she was a kid, and her blood sugar readings, her blood sugar readings that go up when she’s stress eating and she’s not taking care of herself, that’s me handing power to the patient. That’s me saying, “Look, you have more agency than you think.” It’s not that understanding the relationship between childhood traumas and your diabetes, the knowledge alone isn’t enough, but it’s to say that there’s no GLP-1, there’s no shot, there’s no medication that’s going to practice self-compassion for you and for you to make peace with your body and to, and to feed your body the way it wants to be fed.” On Taking Charge “The idea of being the CEO of Your Health is being someone who can understand at its core where you have agency and where you do not, and knowing the difference. It sounds a lot like the Serenity Prayer, right? It’s basically the wisdom to understand where you can execute in your life, habit changes, relationship changes, whether the relationships to food or alcohol or other people or your retirement, and where you have to cede control, like you’re aging, you have a genetic predisposition to a disease you don’t like, you have medical conditions that you’d rather not have. Because it turns out that the best CEOs in the world are people who don’t try to control everything. They also don’t outsource everything to somebody else. They know the difference between where they have control and where they don’t, and then they ask for help. My book is essentially a guide to making sense of your health in a more nuanced way because you do have more control than you think.” ____________________________ About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time. About Retirement Wisdom I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident. Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms. About Your Podcast Host Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking. Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University. In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy . _________________________ The views and opinions expressed by guests on The Retirement Wisdom Podcast are those of the guests and do not necessarily reflect the policy or position of the host or Retirement Wisdom, LLC. The Retirement Wisdom Podcast covers the non-financial aspects of retirement. From time to time we may invite guests who discuss other aspects of retirement planning, solely for educational purposes. Listeners are advised to consult qualified financial and/or medical professionals on those matters.

Listen in to these highlights from four of our best recent conversations on things likely on your mind in planning for retirement: purpose, identity, curiosity – and experimenting your way into a fulfilling next chapter. They can spark ideas for what’s next for you. Want to go deeper? Listen to any of the full conversations: What If Retirement Is the Wrong Goal? – John Coleman Change Your Questions, Change Your Life…in Retirement – Marilee Adams, PhD Letting Go to Become Who You Truly Are – Deborah Santana How to Flourish…in Retirement – Daniel Coyle _________________________ Guest Bios John Coleman is the author of Good Money: Six Steps to Building a Financial Life with Purpose. He is the author of five books, and he or his work have been highlighted in the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Financial Times, the LA Times, Christianity Today, Forbes, and the Harvard Business Review, among other publications. Marilee Adams, PhD is the Founder and CEO of the Inquiry Institute, and author of Change Your Questions, Change Your Life , now in it’s 5th edition and it has been translated into 26 languages.. She is an award-winning author, executive coach, and leadership consultant whose work has shaped how leaders think, communicate, and make decisions for more than four decades. Deborah Santana is the author of Loving the Fire: Choosing Me, Finding Freedom. Her work has been featured by Vogue, Oprah, and NPR, among other national and literary outlets. She is the founder of the Do A Little Foundation, which supports women and girls in the areas of health, education, and happiness. Her work explores identity, social justice, spirituality, and the power of collective voice. Daniel Coyle is the New York Times best-selling author of nine books, including Flourish: The Art of Building Meaning, Joy, and Fulfillment , The Culture Code and The Talent Code, Winner (with Tyler Hamilton) of the 2012 William Hill Sports Book of the Year Prize, he is a contributing editor for Outside magazine, he also works a special advisor to the Cleveland Guardians. Coyle lives in Cleveland, Ohio during the school year and in Homer, Alaska, during the summer with his wife Jen, and their four daughters. _________________________ Other Retirement Podcast Episodes You May Like Best of 2026 – Part One Best of 2025 – Part Two What If I? Best of 2025 – Part 1 The Very Best of 2024 __________________________ Time to take stock of what needs your attention planning for the non-financial side of retirement? Take this free 5-minute assessment . It’s not a report card. It’s a tool to help pinpoint what matters most to you in the years ahead. _________________________

Catch up to your money . It’s often ready for retirement before you are. _________________________ What helps wellbeing endure as our lives change? Matt Bloom has spent much of his career studying human flourishing. In this conversation, he brings his insights into retirement and combines it with lessons from his own transition from professor to writer, volunteer and what he calls a “wise elder.” We discuss why wellbeing is built through small daily practices, how adopting a new identity can change your behavior, why many need to become more intentional about friendship after leaving work, and how volunteering and shared-interest communities can create both connection and meaning. Matt also explains how older adults can become “guardians and shepherds” of relationships and shares Map Your Days , a simple practice that takes five minutes a night and that, in 27 years of teaching MBAs and executives, he says has never failed to teach someone something they didn’t know about their own life. Matt Bloom joins us from Colorado. ________________________ Bio Matt Bloom is the author of Lasting Wellbeing: Science-Based Practices for Tranquility, Authenticity, Meaning, and Joy . He is a writer, speaker, entrepreneur, and emeritus professor of management at the University of Notre Dame. Bloom holds advanced degrees in psychology from Cornell University (PhD) and the University of Kansas (MA), and is an award-winning teacher who earned top honors for courses he taught to undergraduates, MBA students, and corporate executives. At Notre Dame, Matt taught classes on innovation and design thinking, organizational change and leadership. As a professor in the Mendoza College of Business, Matt studied well-being for nearly three decades where he led the WorkWell research project. Initially, he and his team of ten researchers focused on the well-being of people in the helping and healing professions: international aid workers, global health professionals, educators, clergy and ministry workers, physicians, and other healthcare professionals, among others. He later broadened his focus to include both well-being at work and in life more generally. The team also launched a first-of-its-kind mobile application to capture daily experiences from several hundred research subjects. Prior to becoming a professor, Matt was a financial advisor at Shearson Lehman Hutton, a consultant at Arthur Young, a psychiatric orderly at The Kansas Institute, and a paramedic for the Douglas County (KS) Emergency Medical Service. Some of Matt’s favorite wise well-being practices: Extended backcountry hiking (5+ days). And, yes, there are no showers or bathrooms Baking hearth bread using natural leavens, mild sourdough starters Scuba diving on coral reefs and wrecks in the Caribbean Catch-and-release fly fishing on small mountain streams Poetry reading using a process he adapted from lectio divina Reading novels. Among his favorite authors are Marilynne Robinson, Richard Ford, Richard Rosso and Abraham Verghese _________________________ For More on Matt Bloom Lasting Wellbeing: Science-Based Practices for Tranquility, Authenticity, Meaning, and Joy Website Ritual app : Download for iOS or Android , or start at ritual.io . _________________________ More Retirement Podcast Conversations You’ll Love How to Flourish…in Retirement – Daniel Coyle Retiring: Creating a Life That Works for You – Teresa Amabile The Good Life – Marc Schulz, PhD _________________________ Wise Quotes On the Value of Small Steps “Our wellbeing rises and falls mostly as a result of little things that we do day by day… We live our values mostly in the little things that we do.” On Relationships “Quality matters more than quantity.” On Elderhood “We can really be the guardians and shepherds of family relationships.” _______________________ About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time. About Retirement Wisdom I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident. Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms. About Your Podcast Host Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking. Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University. In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy . _________________________

A lot of the conversation on retirement runs one way: stay busy, stay productive. Dr. Denise Taylor thinks that could quietly cost some people their best years. Denise is a Chartered Psychologist and later-life researcher in the UK. She spent 25 years coaching people through career transitions, then, at 61, went back to school herself, completing a professional doctorate on how people reconstruct meaning after full-time work. Her research subjects were all at least two years past retirement, deliberately, because the first two years tell you very little. What she found in them became the backbone of her new book, ThriveSpan: Walking Gently Into What Matters Now . The extra years we have gained, she argues, arrive roughly between 60 and 80, while health usually still holds. Spending them duplicating the shape of your working life is a decision, and it’s not right for everyone. Her alternative is not reinvention, which she calls exhausting, but recalibration: a reset in which you subtract before you add. She is also candid about her own path. Leaving a twenty-year marriage. Four days and four nights alone in nature with no food and no tent. A doctorate that started the October before COVID. Four acres of woodland that taught her, at last, how to stop moving fast. We discuss why purpose does not have to be a cathedral, why she stopped dyeing her hair on principle, what her research says about curiosity and being of service, why you should imagine the future you do not want, and why saying no is the most underrated skill in later life. Retirement is different for everyone and we have choices. Denise argues against a continue to work narrative, and she argues strongly. If you’re a listener who loves their work, or who needs the income, shear her as offering choice rather than a verdict. ________________________ Bio Dr. Denise Taylor is a Chartered Psychologist, later-life researcher, and widely published author whose work explores how we can live well as we age. With more than 25 years’ experience supporting career and life transitions, she has written extensively on work, identity, ageing, and meaning in later life. Her work has been featured by the BBC, ITV, and national newspapers. Her previous books include Career Coaching for Midlife and Beyond, Rethinking Retirement for Positive Ageing , and Find Work at 50+. Her doctoral research into meaning after full-time work won the Research by a Career Development Professional award in 2024. ThriveSpan: Walking Gently Into What Matters Now offers a reflective, psychologically grounded approach to later life, integrating research, lived experience, and the restorative influence of nature. Denise writes the Substack newsletter Ageing Reimagined and is a regular contributor to the i Paper. She lives in Gloucestershire, where time spent in her woodland continues to inspire both her writing and her approach to later life. _______________________ For More on Denise Taylor Substack – https://ageingreimagined.substack.com/ ThriveSpan – https://denisetaylor.co.uk/thrivespan/ Website – https://denisetaylor.co.uk/ _______________________ Other Retirement Podcast Conversations You’ll Also Love Inspired Retirement – Nathalie Martin Re-Visioning Retirement – Susan Reid, PhD Joyspan – Kerry Burnight, PhD _______________________ Wise Quotes On Recalibrating “You don’t have to reinvent yourself. You can just slow down a bit…now time is more my own.” On Purpose “When I’m talking to people about purpose, they want this massive thing, like building a cathedral. You can have purpose just by smiling at somebody walking down the street.” On Being “If all you are is a human doing, then you’re not really thinking about who am I as a human being?” ______________________ About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time. About Retirement Wisdom I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident. Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms. About Your Podcast Host Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking. Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University. In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy .

Your money is ready for retirement. Are you? Get started on Future You. _________________________ What might happen if retirement gives you permission to become a beginner again? After more than four decades in journalism, including a long career at The Wall Street Journal , Neil Lipschutz began an entirely different chapter—as a mystery novelist. In this conversation, Neil discusses career identity, creative work and the importance of giving retirement some structure without locking yourself into a rigid plan. He also shares a powerful lesson from his own second act: enjoy the process of pursuing something meaningful without making your satisfaction dependent on how other people measure the outcome. _________________________ Bio Neal Lipschutz, a long-time journalist, was formerly a deputy editor-in-chief at The Wall Street Journal. He also previously served as WSJ’s ethics and standards editor. He also at one time was the top editor at Dow Jones Newswires. His short fiction has appeared in a number of publications. “Long Arm of the Past” is his second novel in the Scott Morgan series following his debut novel “No Write Way to Die” in 2025. __________________________ For More on Neal Lipschutz Author Website Long Arm of the Past (A Scott Morgan Mystery) No Write Way to Die ___________________________ Other Retirement Podcast Conversations You’ll Love How to Flourish…in Retirement – Daniel Coyle Change Your Questions, Change Your Life…in Retirement – Marilee Adams, PhD Mattering…in Retirement – Jennifer Breheny Wallace ____________________________ Wise Quotes On Retiring External Validation “Enjoy the process… and try to separate that from whether it was ultimately a success in some other person’s eyes.” On Finding a New Center “It’s such an opportunity to try something new, to find some new purpose, to find some new center around which to organize your life.” On Idenity “I felt like a human being before I had a career…I’m not sure I need a career to justify my identity now.” _____________________________ About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time. About Retirement Wisdom I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident. Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms. About Your Podcast Host Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking. Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University. In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy .

Are You the One? We have one spot left in both cohorts Designing Your New Life in Retirement small group program, beginning in September. Is now the time to start working on what you’ll be retiring to ? Learn more here | Sign up here Prepare for Takeoff: Is your money better prepared for retirement than you are to live it? Take this free 5-minute assessment to highlight may need you attention to build the retirement you’ve earned. __________________________ We spend a great deal of time thinking about how much we exercise. Esther Gokhale asks another question: How are we using our bodies during all the hours when we aren’t exercising? Esther Gokhale, creator of the Gokhale Method, became interested in posture after experiencing a severe L5-S1 disc herniation while pregnant with her first child. Surgery was followed by another herniation, and she began searching more broadly for ways to change how she moved in everyday life. In this conversation, Esther explains why she considers posture a missing pillar of wellness and why she believes ordinary activities (walking, sitting, standing, bending and even lying down) can become what she calls “life exercises.” We explore why sitting itself may not (completely) deserve its terrible reputation, what she means by a “J-spine,” how walking mechanics affect the entire body, and what modern adults can learn from young children and populations whose traditional movement patterns have been preserved. Most encouragingly for people in the second half of life, Esther argues that we should distinguish between what becomes common with age and what is necessarily natural . Her message is clear that our capacity for improvement often lasts much longer than we assume. _____________________ Bio Esther Gokhale (GO-clay) has been involved in integrative therapies all her life. As a young girl growing up in India, she helped her mother, a nurse, treat abandoned babies waiting to be adopted. This early interest in healing led her to study biochemistry at Harvard and Princeton and, later, acupuncture at the San Francisco School of Oriental Medicine. After experiencing crippling back pain during her first pregnancy and unsuccessful back surgery, Esther Gokhale began her lifelong crusade to vanquish back pain. Her studies at the Aplomb® Institute in Paris and years of research in Brazil, India, Portugal and elsewhere led her to develop the Gokhale Method , a unique, systematic approach to help people find their bodies’ way back to pain-free living. Gokhale’s book, 8 Steps to a Pain-Free Back , has been translated into ten languages. Esther Gokhale has taught at corporations such as Google & IDEO, presented at conferences including TEDx(Stanford), consulted for the trainers of the SF 49ers and several Stanford sports teams, and conducted workshops for physician groups at Stanford, Kaiser Permanente, Sutter Health, UCSF. The New York Times gave Esther the title “The Posture Guru of Silicon Valley. A Stanford clinical trial is currently studying the Gokhale Method. _____________________ For More on Esther Gokhale Website – Gokhale Method 2-minute Video Overview of the Gokhale Method 8 Steps to a Pain-Free Back by Esther Gokhale ____________________ Other Retirement Podcasts You May Like The Joy of Movement – Kelly McGonigal Eat Your Ice Cream – Ezekiel Emanuel, MD, PhD Make Your Next Years Your Best Years – Harry Agress, MD _____________________ About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time. About Retirement Wisdom I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident. Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms. About Your Podcast Host Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking. Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University. In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy . __________________________ Wise Quotes On Posture “Posture is very underrated as a pillar of wellness…Change the way you are living in your body….It’s sort of indispensable that we do life more skillfully because that’s where the big opportunities are.” On Misconceptions on Aging “Don’t…lower our standards and call things that are common natural.” On Why Now? “It’s never too late.” __________________________ The views and opinions expressed by guests on The Retirement Wisdom Podcast are those of the guests and do not necessarily reflect the policy or position of the host or Retirement Wisdom, LLC. The Retirement Wisdom Podcast covers the non-financial aspects of retirement. From time to time we may invite guests who discuss other aspects of retirement planning, solely for educational purposes. Listeners are advised to consult qualified financial and/or medical professionals on those matters.

Time for an Upgrade? The honeymoon period doesn’t last forever in retirement. The free Retirement Drift assessment takes five minutes. It’s not a report card. No right answers. If you want to get started on working on the new Future You, that’s exactly what the Designing Your New Life in Retirement program is built for. Six group sessions with 6 to 10 people doing the same, and a structured way to move from putting it off to designing. The September cohort is enrolling now with two scheduling options. Learn more here | Sign up here _____________________________ What would persuade a successful professional to trade seniority and compensation for beginner status, and six months of Police Academy training at 70? For John Fisher, the answer was not reinvention for its own sake. It was the chance to keep growing, serving, solving problems, and feeling fully engaged. Before becoming a Ranger, John spent more than 20 years at Sony Pictures Television, including as supervising producer of The Young and the Restless, where he won six Emmy Awards. His earlier career included work with HBO and key roles in launching MTV, VH-1, MTV Europe, and The Comedy Channel. His next chapter didn’t pop up overnight. It grew from volunteering. One opportunity led to another: EMT certification, a seasonal Ranger-Assistant role, ranger training, and eventually the Río Hondo Basic Police Academy. There, surrounded by much younger recruits, John became California’s oldest graduate of a basic Police Academy, class president and was voted Most Inspirational. In this conversation, John explains how he handled the demands of the academy, why age brought advantages as well as limitations, and how three simple criteria (learning something new, helping people, and having fun) guided his choices. His story is dramatic, but his approach is accessible. Becoming a Ranger may not be your thing, but what small experiment might open your own unexpected next chapter? John Fisher joins us from California. _________________________ Bio John Fisher is a Ranger with the Mountains Recreation and Conservation Authority, a local park agency with extensive property in the Santa Monica Mountains. He joined the MRCA as a volunteer in 2024. After attending the Rio Hondo Basic Police Academy in 2025, Fisher completed field training and became a generalist ranger in 2026. Prior to the MRCA, Fisher worked for Sony Pictures Television for over 20 years as a supervising producer for “The Young and the Restless,” where he won six Emmy Awards. Earlier, Fisher worked on the NBC Enterprises syndicated daytime program, “The John Walsh Show.” He spent 11 years with HBO as a production executive, where he supervised a wide range of programming, including “Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher,” “The Chris Rock Show,” “Reverb,” and “Dr. Katz: Professional Therapist.” His experience encompasses key roles in launching MTV, VH-1, MTV Europe, and The Comedy Channel, as well as numerous producing and consulting credits for broadcast, pay cable, syndication, corporate, and home video projects. A longtime member of the Television Academy, Fisher has served on the Daytime Peer Group Executive Committee and the Daytime Awards Committee. He has been involved with community and educational endeavors and has volunteered with his homeowners’ association, Syracuse University’s alumni advisory network, and Boston University’s Los Angeles program. An avid cyclist, he has been a member of several advocacy groups and a volunteer trail maintainer. Additionally, he continues to volunteer with the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department Search and Rescue team based in Santa Clarita and as a civilian volunteer for the Los Angeles Police Department through his membership in the California Emergency Mobile Patrol (CEMP). Fisher also belongs to the Mountain Bike Unit in the Santa Monica Mountains National Recreation Area and is a volunteer for the National Park Service and California State Parks. A native of Baltimore, Fisher holds a master’s degree from Syracuse University’s Newhouse School and an undergraduate degree from Towson University. __________________________ Other Retirement Podcast Conversations You’ll Love The Third Act – Josh Sapan Mattering…in Retirement – Jennifer Breheny Wallace What If You Pivot Instead of Retiring? – Scott Siff ___________________________ About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time. About Retirement Wisdom I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident. Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms. About Your Podcast Host Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking. Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University. In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy . _____________________________________________ Wise Quotes On Trade Offs “I am earning a fraction of what I earned before. I am way down in the food chain, and I love it.” On Age Bias “If somebody’s telling you you’re too old, find new friends. They’re just jealous.” On Future You “You have to figure out what kind of story you want to tell about this next phase of your life.”

Retirement can create an unexpected form of pressure. With more freedom and fewer work constraints, shouldn’t this be the moment when we finally perfect our health, routines, relationships, and long-delayed ambitions? Steve Kamb argues that this all-or-nothing mindset often produces an all- then -nothing result. Steve is the founder of Nerd Fitness and author of How to Try Again . In this conversation, he explains why setbacks are not proof that we are failures; they are information about what to try differently. He shares lessons from the Museum of Failure, reframes treading water as a legitimate success during certain seasons, and makes the case that no one truly returns to square one. Every previous attempt leaves us knowledge and data we can use going forward. If we pay attention. Steve also introduces his PACT framework – Pause, Accept, Change, Try – and explains why permission to start can be more powerful than waiting for confidence. Whether you want to rebuild fitness, develop a new interest, strengthen relationships, or design a more purposeful retirement, this episode offers a compassionate and practical way to begin again. Steve Kamb joins us from Massachusetts. _________________ Time for an Upgrade? The honeymoon period doesn’t last forever in retirement. It dawns on you that there are more Wednesdays ahead than items on your Bucket List. I’ve created a brief online tool to highlight the key areas that need your attention the most. It’s based on what I’ve learned about my clients who thrive in retirement – and what they make sure to get right. The free Retirement Drift assessment takes five minutes. It’s not a report card. No right answers. Just where you stand today and a starting point for the retirement you really want to live. Take the Free Retirement Drift Assessment → “Something was missing and I couldn’t quite put my finger on it. Now I know.” That’s from a podcast listener who took it last week. If you want to get started on working on the new Future You, that’s exactly what the Designing Your New Life in Retirement program is built for. Six group sessions with 6 to 10 people doing the same, and a structured way to move from putting it off to designing. The September cohort is enrolling now with two scheduling options. Learn more here | Sign up here __________________ Bio Steve Kamb is the author of How to Try Again (St. Martin’s Press) and Level Up Your Life (Rodale). He’s also the founder of Nerd Fitness, a worldwide community of nerds leveling up their lives. Since 2009, he’s helped busy people get stronger, live healthier, and build heroic habits. He’s published a thousand articles backed by scientific research and full of nerdy references that have been read by tens of millions. Kamb writes a weekly “Level Up with Steve Kamb” newsletter read by more than 100,000 super humans. He’s given talks at some of the world’s biggest companies and guest lectured at Vanderbilt University. He currently resides in Nashville, TN, where he plays golf decently and music poorly. __________________ For More on Steve Kamb How to Try Again: An Approachable Guide to Navigating Chaos and Making Change THAT STICKS Website __________________ Retirement Podcast Conversations You’ll Also Love Self-Compassion – Dr. Kristin Neff How to Begin – Michael Bungay Stanier The Joy of Movement – Kelly McGonigal _______________________ About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time. About Retirement Wisdom I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident. Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms. About Your Podcast Host Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking. Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University. In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy . ________________ Wise Quotes On Self Compassion “It’s not how you succeed with discipline, but really how you fail with compassion.” On Mindset “An all or nothing mindset creates all then nothing results.” On Action “Action creates motivation, which creates self-efficacy, which creates more action…You don’t need a membership. You don’t need to make a big deal out of it. You can just put on your shoes and go do it.” ______________________ The views and opinions expressed by guests on The Retirement Wisdom Podcast are solely those of the guests and do not reflect the opinion of the host or Retirement Wisdom, LLC. The Retirement Wisdom Podcast primarily covers the non-financial aspects of retirement. From time to time we may invite guests who discuss other aspects of retirement planning, solely for educational purposes. Listeners are advised to consult qualified financial and/or medical professionals on those matters. Consult your doctor before starting any exercise routine.

How clear are you about what you’re retiring to ? Our next group program starts in September and is limited to 10 people. The Early Registration discount ends on July 31st. Learn more here . Reserve your spot today . ________________________ We spend years letting our pace be set for us, by employers and the calendar. Then retirement arrives and, for the first time, the tempo is ours to choose. In this conversation, science journalist Elizabeth Svoboda, author of The Art of Pacing , argues that most of us get can stuck oscillating between two extremes — the perpetual sprint and complete disengagement — and that the real skill is learning to move across a range of paces with intention. Elizabeth shares interesting and useful ideas, including “rigid flexibility” (from an Olympic runner), smart circadian-rhythm energy management, the freedom that “selective mediocrity” can create, and how identity can get intertwined with the pace we keep. It’s a conversation about doing less of what drains you, so you have more for what matters most. Elizabeth Svoboda joins us from California. _________________________ Bio Elizabeth Svoboda is the author of The Art of Pacing: A Guide to Balancing Short-Term Demands with Long-Term Thriving . She is an award-winning science writer and contributor to Scientific American , Discover , The Boston Globe , The New York Times , and other publications. Elizabeth is a winner of the Evert Clark/Seth Payne Award for Young Science Writers, and her work has been anthologized in the Best American Science and Nature Writing series. She lives in San Jose, California, with her husband and young sons. ________________________ For More on Elizabeth Svoboda The Art of Pacing: A Guide to Balancing Short-Term Demands with Long-Term Thriving Website _______________________ How Ready are You for Your New Life in Retirement? Take this free 5-minute assessment to identify which areas may need your attention: Not retired yet, but I want to design a meaningful life I’m in retirement, but maybe I could use an upgrade _______________________ Retirement Podcast Conversations You’ll Also Love How to Flourish…in Retirement – Daniel Coyle Happier Hour – Cassie Holmes, PhD Will You Flourish or Languish? – Corey Keyes Taming The Molecule of More – Michael Long _______________________ About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time. About Retirement Wisdom I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident. Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms. About Your Podcast Host Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking. Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University. In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy . _________________________ Wise Quotes On Reassessing Your Pace “So much of our identities tend to be wrapped up in the pace we keep. As you’re contemplating retirement or just embarking on it, it’s a good time for a big-picture pace reassessment.” On Flourishing “Set a pace that is right for you and that leads you toward personally flourishing.” On Selective Mediocrity “You have to avoid over-extracting your own resources. By conserving energy on less essential things, you have more energy to devote to the things that matter most.”

It takes decades to save & invest enough to be able to retire. But most people find that when the time comes, they’re unsure about what’s next. That part doesn’t take decades, unless you keep putting it off. Join our next small group program in September and Design Your New Life in Retirement. Two 1 on 1 sessions. 6 interactive group sessions. A new direction. Learn more and sign up today . Early registration ends July 31st. Limited to 10 participants. __________________________ What does it really take to design a meaningful life after full-time work? In this special “Best of” episode of The Retirement Wisdom Podcast , you’ll hear brief but useful insights from guests who challenge the old story of retirement as a finish line, a reward, or a long vacation. You’ll hear different perspectives on the the shift from “role to soul”, the emotional side of transition, how to build a life portfolio, why mattering may be as important as money, how connection shapes happiness, why your brain can keep growing, and how creativity can become a surprisingly powerful health habit that can enhance longevity. This episode offers a powerful reminder: retirement isn’t about stepping back. It’s an opportunity to step more fully into life with the courage to keep growing and contributing in new ways. ___________________________ Want to go deeper on any of these conversations? How to Live a Meaningful Life – Dave Evans Navigating the In-Between – Monique Rhodes What Do You Want Out of Life…in Retirement ? – Valerie Tiberius Design a Phased Retirement – Anna Rappaport Mattering…in Retirement – Jennifer Breheny Wallace Love & Happiness…in Retirement – Sonja Lyubomirsky Eat Your Ice Cream – Ezekiel Emanuel, MD, PhD How to Stay Sharp in Retirement – Dr. Majid Fotuhi Art Cure: The Science of How the Arts Save Lives – Daisy Fancourt _________________________ How Ready are You for Your New Life in Retirement? Take this free 5-minute assessment to identify which areas may need your attention: Not retired yet, but I want to design a meaningful life In retirement, but maybe I could use an upgrade _________________________ Other Retirement Podcast Conversations You’ll Also Love Best of 2025 – Part Two What If I? Best of 2025 – Part 1 The Very Best of 2024 ___________________________ About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time. About Retirement Wisdom I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident. Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms. About Your Podcast Host Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking. Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University. In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy .

You’ve been asked: “So, what are you going to do all day?” You have an answer. But privately, you admit it’ll cover 2 to 3 hours a day. You deserve a better, richer retirement. Join our next Design Your New Life in Retirement small group program in September. Learn more and sign up today . ________________________ Dr. Jordan Grumet has crafted three books mapping the terrain between money, mortality, and meaning. His new book, The Healthcare Heist , opens with a story he rarely tells. That experience became the seed of a much bigger argument: that insurers, pharmaceutical companies, private equity and venture capital firms, and electronic medical records companies all have their “hands in the cookie jar,” extracting value from a system that’s supposed to serve two primary stakeholders: the patient who needs care and the doctor who gives it. Jordan calls out the “intimacy gap” where today patients disclose everything to their doctors, while doctors are trained to disclose nothing back. He makes a provocative case that it can be closed through storytelling. He also shares practical and valuable advice you can use: concrete steps for your next doctor’s visit and the healthcare-literacy gaps that trip up many people heading into retirement. _________________________ Bio Jordan Grumet, MD is a hospice physician who has spent his career at the intersection of medicine, money, and meaning. He’s the author of Taking Stock: A Hospice Doctor’s Advice on Financial Independence, Building Wealth, and Living a Regret-Free Life and The Purpose Code: How to Unlock Meaning, Maximize Happiness, and Leave a Lasting Legacy. His latest book, The Healthcare Heist , argues that patients and doctors are the only two parties with both the incentive and the ability to fix a broken healthcare system — and makes the case for shared storytelling as the tool to do it. Jordan earned his undergraduate degree from the University of Michigan and his medical degree from Northwestern University. __________________________ For More on Jordan Grumet, MD The Healthcare Heist: How Physicians and Patients Can Unite to Transform Healthcare The Purpose Code – Dr. Jordan Grumet Taking Stock – Dr. Jordan Grumet __________________________ Other Podcast Episodes You’ll Also Love Eat Your Ice Cream – Ezekiel Emanuel, MD, PhD What Matters Most – Diane Button ___________________________ About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time. About Retirement Wisdom I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident. Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms. About Your Podcast Host Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking. Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University. In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy . ___________________________ Wise Quotes On Our Healthcare System “It made me realize how many other groups are leveraging our healthcare system to extract money out of it…We have a failing medical system… so corporatized… you have all these hands in the cookie jar, grabbing all the money out. And none of it’s really improving medicine…Most people… don’t realize that they’re being pickpocketed at every single step.” On Medical Malpractice “Less than one in 10 cases that are filed actually show medical malpractice.” On the Power, and Promise, of Storytelling “Stories changed the world.”

Don’t miss out on a great life in retirement because you fail to prepare for it. Join our next Design Your New Life in Retirement small group program in September. Learn more and sign up today . __________________ Walter Green has spent nearly three decades doing what most of us postpone: telling the people who shaped him exactly why they mattered, while they can still hear it. The founder of the Say It Now movement joins us to share his journey, his new book The Gratitude Express , a deceptively simple question that replaces “What should I do?” in retirement, and why he decided to reimagine rather than retire. ___________________ Bio Walter Green’s father died when he was a teenager and it left an indelible impression on him that life is short, precious, and unpredictable. Walter decided it was never too early and not too late to express his profound appreciation for those who had impacted his life. That is when he began his journey of seeking out those people who made a significant impact. It was the moment to share his gratitude with them. Walter Green was Chairman of the Board and CEO of Harrison Conference Services for 25 years, during which time it grew into the leading conference center management company in the U.S. He has lectured at the Wharton Graduate School of Business and Hofstra and Long Island universities, as well as being featured as an expert on the topic of effective meetings in numerous national publications. Associated for years with the Young Presidents’ Organization and the World Presidents’ Organization, he’s a member of the Chief Executives Organization and the L3 Organization (Leadership, Legacy, Life). Since selling his company, he has mentored young adults and is actively involved in several non-profit organizations. He lives with his wife, Lola, in San Diego, California. ______________________ For More on Walter Green The Say It Now Movement The Gratitude Express ______________________ Retirement Podcast Conversations You’ll Also Love Changing the World One Small Act at a Time – Brad Aronson The Best Day of My Life So Far – Benita Cooper ______________________ Wise Quotes On Retirement Planning “I never asked, ‘What should I do?’ I asked: if I were ideally successful at this stage of my life, how would I know it? …Look toward the things you were doing while you were doing the other stuff. Look for the patterns … I don’t even like the word ‘retirement.’ Reimagining is where I am.” On Why You’ll Want to Say It Now “Put a flashlight on a relationship, illuminate it, and really look at why it was so important … You’ll think it’s for the other person — but in reality it’s just as much for yourself…We’re the only ones who can give this gift. You can’t delegate it to somebody else.” _______________________ About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time. About Retirement Wisdom I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident. Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms. About Your Podcast Host Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking. Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University. In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy .

There’a a whole half a year to go! Start the second half strong with new habits. Free 1 hour workshop July 1 | 12 noon ET Sign up here ____________________ You’re preparing for retirement. For many of us, there’s another transition nestled within that one. It comes with joy and little instruction – becoming a grandparent. Celia Dodd, a journalist of 30+ years and grandmother of six, has written the book many grandparents wish they had: one that celebrates the delight and makes room for the honest, complicated feelings nobody admits out loud: Grand Expectations: The Joys and Dilemmas of Being a Grandparent. This conversation is about permission. Permission to feel torn between the grandchildren you adore and the next chapter you’ve spent years planning. Permission to be your own version of a grandparent rather than the one in your head. Permission to support without interfering, to say no without guilt, and to design these special years deliberately instead of drifting into them. Celia Dodd joins us from London. _________________________ Bio Celia Dodd is a journalist and author who wrote regularly for The Times of London, the Independent and other national newspapers and magazines, focussing on relationships, family life, health and education. She also wrote profiles of interesting people, including Gordon Ramsay, Lou Reed and actress Juliet Stevenson. After thirty years as a journalist she turned to writing books about parenting and major transitions in life, such as the empty nest and retirement. They are subjects close to her heart as well as her own stage in life. Her new book is Grand Expectations: The Joys and Dilemmas of Being a Grandparent. She’s also written All Grown Up: Nurturing relationships with adult children , Not Fade Away: How to thrive in retiremen t, The Empty Nest: Your changing family, your new direction and Conversations with Mothers and Daughters . Celia has two adult sons and a daughter, and six grandchildren. ______________________ For More on Celia Dodd Grand Expectations: The Joys and Dilemmas of Being a Grandparent Celia Dodd’s first visit with us: All Grown Up (o n relationships with adult children, and thriving in retirement) _______________________ Retirement Podcast Conversations You’ll Also Love The Grandparenting Blueprint – Linda & Richard Eyre (Part One) The Mindful Grandparent – Dr. Shirley Showalter’ Grandparents’ Day – Kerry Byrne & Ted Page ________________________ Wise Quotes On Grandparenting & Purpose “Grandparenting has been life-enhancing in so many different ways. It’s brought me a new purpose.” On Being a Grandparent & Being Yourself “It’s about being your own version of a grandparent.” On Relationships with Adult Children “There’s a fine line is between being supportive and interfering…Don’t give advice unless they ask for it.” __________________________ About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time. About Retirement Wisdom I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident.Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms. About Your Podcast Host Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking.Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University.In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy.

The first half of 2026 is ending. But there’s another whole half of the year ahead. Remember your New Year’s resolutions? A fading memory, but there are aspirations in them that you can bring to life in the second half. Join me for a free 60-minute FREE small group workshop on how to apply Stanford’s BJ Fogg’s 3-step habits process to three things you’d like to start in the second half of 2026. July 1st | 12:00 Eastern | Zoom Sign up here _______________________ Let’s face it. We spend years preparing for a career and almost no time preparing for the decades that follow. In this episode, investor advocate Pam Krueger, founder and CEO of Wealthramp and creator of PBS’s MoneyTrack, rejoins us to reframe what retirement readiness really means. The conversation moves from the money ( why diversification is a verb; why the sequence of your returns matter; and why the saving habit that built your wealth has to be unlearned to spend it ) to the life side of the equation ( the “dimmer switch” alternative to the on/off switch of a traditional retirement, and the conversation couples should not skip ). The big idea Pam shared today is optionality: instead of planning toward a single date or a magic number to hit, build a plan that’s resilient enough to flex as life changes, because it will. It’s a practical, candid look at designing the kind of next chapter you’ll love to get to live. _______________________ Bio Pam Krueger is an investor advocate, personal finance journalist, and author with over 25 years of industry experience. She’s the founder and CEO of Wealthramp , a fee-only financial advisor referral service built on a foundation of trust, transparency, and consumer protection. Since 2019, Wealthramp has connected nearly 30,000 people to right-fit advisors and coaches. Pam is also the creator and co-host of the award-winning MoneyTrack series on PBS and the Friends Talk Money podcast. She’s a two-time Gracie Award winner and earned the NAPFA Special Achievement Award for championing fiduciary financial advice. Her work is widely respected for its transparency and focus on helping people achieve financial confidence. _________________________ For More on Pam Krueger Wealthramp Pam’s first visit with us is here (She describes her approach to vetting financial advisors in the second half of the conversation) ________________________ Other Retirement Podcast Conversations You’ll Love What If Retirement Is the Wrong Goal? – John Coleman Design a Phased Retirement – Anna Rappaport The Second Curve of Life – Arthur C. Brooks _______________________ Retiring Soon? Do Your Due Dilligence: Best Books for Retirement _______________________ Wise Quotes On a Balanced Aproach to Retirement Planning “Financial plans are going to fail when life plans were never discussed.” On a Gradual Shift to Retirement “Retirement planning can be put on a dimmer switch. That’s why we have dimmer switches. When you let go of that on-off switch, you’re letting go of so much more than the grueling workday…If optionality is your goal, you’re going to be in a heck of a better position.” On Shifting from Saving to Spending “The very habit that helped you build wealth suddenly changes to a whole new strategy.” ______________________ About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time. I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident. Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms. About Your Podcast Host Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking.Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University.In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy . _______________________ The views and opinions expressed by guests on The Retirement Wisdom Podcast are solely those of the guests and do not reflect the opinion of the host or Retirement Wisdom, LLC. The Retirement Wisdom Podcast primarily covers the non-financial aspects of retirement. From time to time we may invite guests who discuss other aspects of retirement planning, solely for educational purposes. Listeners are advised to consult qualified financial and/or medical professionals on those matters. ________________________

Retirement. You could wing it. Why not design it? Our next group proram starts in September and is limited to 10 people. The Very Early Registration discount (45%) ends on June 21st. Learn more here . _______________________ In our last conversation, Dan Pontefract gave us a demographic wake-up call. The future of work is aging, and longer lives will require new thinking about careers, retirement, and contribution. Today, Scott Siff brings that to the practical level: how do we create better pathways for people who want to keep contributing, but not necessarily in the same way? And what are employers missing when they overlook experienced talent? His story begins with his father’s frustrating search for a new job in his 70s, and builds into a larger conversation about age bias, unretirement, labor shortages, and the need to redesign work for longer lives. __________________________ Bio Scott Siff is the founder and CEO of Pivoters , a job-matching platform focused on helping people 55+ connect with employers seeking experienced talent. His story begins with his father’s frustrating search for a new job in his 70s, and builds into a larger conversation about age bias, unretirement, labor shortages, and the need to redesign work for longer lives. Siff is also a founder and Managing Partner at Quadrant Strategies, a Washington, D.C.-based strategy research and communications firm. His background includes advising senior leaders, Fortune 50 companies, and high-profile political figures on public affairs, brand, reputation, crisis, competitive positioning, and strategic communications. Earlier in his career, Siff served as CEO of BAV Consulting, Vice Chair of the global research firm PSB, and worked at the U.S. Department of Justice as a prosecutor and later as counsel in the Environment Division. He earned a B.A. from Harvard University, Phi Beta Kappa, and a J.D. from Harvard Law School, where he was an editor of the Harvard Law Review. Scott Siff joins us from Washington, DC. _______________________ For More on Scott Siff Pivoters _______________________ Other Retirement Podcast Conversations You May Like The Portfolio Life – Christina Wallace The Unretirement Life – Richard Eisenberg Working Identity – Herminia Ibarra _________________________ Best Books on Retirement Our reccomendations and summaries are here _________________________ Mentioned in This Episode The Future of Work is Grey – Dan Pontefract _________________________ About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time. I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident. Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms. About Your Podcast Host Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking.Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University.In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy. ________________________ Wise Quotes On Rethinking Work “At 55, you may well have 30 years of work life left, but you probably have 25 really good years, which is the same length of career as from the ages 25 to 50.” On What Employers Are Missing “There’s a pool of 40 million unused workers ready to go, better workers, and they’re sitting there on the sidelines, begging to get in the game.” On Reframing Aging “A 65-year-old today is like a 45-year-old 20 years ago. And I’m not saying that theoretically, that’s what the science is finding.” __________________________

Take charge of your future. Our next group proram starts in September and is limited to 10 people. The Very Early Registration discount (45%) ends on June 21. Learn more here . — Dan Pontefract spent two decades building leadership, culture, and engagement inside high-tech and telecom organizations, and never once thought seriously about age. Then, in his early fifties, he had a wake-up call. It sent him to look under a rock he’d never lifted, where he found “an absolute cavern of issues.” The result is his sixth book, The Future is Grey: The Untapped Value of Age in the Workforce . Dan lays out the coming “bell to bulb” demographic inversion and the risks for organizations ignoring it. For individuals, he reframes the whole arc of a working life, from the language of generations (which he rejects as an ageist cognitive bias) to three universal career eras: Rivers, Rocks, and Rubies. That demographic inversion means experience will become more scarce and valuable. The through-line is don’t retire, rewire instead. He shares stories of people who kept working or returned to work in a different way, which brings his concept of the “experience dividend” to life. ________________________ Bio Dan Pontefract is a renowned leadership and culture strategist, author, and keynote speaker with over two decades of experience in senior executive roles at companies such as SAP, TELUS, and Business Objects. Since then, he has worked with organizations globally, including Salesforce, Amgen, State of Tennessee, Nestlé, Canada Post, Autodesk, BMO, Government of Canada, Manulife, Nutrien, UBC, McGill University, Virgin Media O2, City of Toronto, among others. Dan has firsthand experience in turning leaders and corporate cultures into a competitive advantage. In addition to The Future of Work Is Grey , Dan has written five other books: WORK-LIFE BLOOM, LEAD. CARE. WIN., OPEN TO THINK, THE PURPOSE EFFECT, and FLAT ARMY garnering multiple awards including the Thinkers50 Top New Management Book and the Axiom Business Book Awards Gold Medal. Dan has also written for Forbes, Harvard Business Review, Leader to Leader, The Globe and Mail, Inc., among other outlets. Dan is a renowned keynote speaker who has presented at four TED events and delivered over 600 keynotes. He is an adjunct professor at the University of Victoria and has received over 25 personal awards. Dan’s career is interwoven with corporate and academic experience, coupled with an MBA, B.Ed, and multiple distinctions. Notably, Dan is listed on the Thinkers50 Radar, HR Weekly’s 100 Most Influential People in HR, PeopleHum’s Top 200 Thought Leaders to Follow, and Inc. Magazine’s Top 100 Leadership Speakers. ___________________________ The Future is Grey: The Untapped Value of Age in the Workforce Website ___________________________ Other Retirement Podcast Conversations You’ll Love The Second Curve of Life – Arthur C. Brooks Design a Phased Retirement – Anna Rappaport Rewirement – Helen Dennis ___________________________ Wise Quotes On Wisdom “Wisdom is to the experience dividend what oxygen is to fire.” On Retiring Retirement “Instead of using the word retire, I very much encourage people to use the word rewire.” On Demographic Shifts “We’re shifting from a bell-shaped society to a bulb-shaped society, and it’s going to change the talent makeup of your organization very, very soon.” ___________________________ About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time. About Retirement Wisdom I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident. Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms. About Your Podcast Host Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking. Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University. In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy.

Be intentional. Design Your New Life in Retirement. Our next groups start in September. The very early registration discount ends June 21st. Learn more . What if everything you’ve been told about retirement is quietly working against you? John Coleman has spent his career around money and purpose, which makes his message all the more striking: money is a tool, not the point. In his new book, Good Money: Six Steps to Building a Financial Life with Purpose , he rethinks personal finance around human flourishing, and one of his steps reframes retirement itself: save for freedom, not retirement. We explore why the conventional retirement script, a withdrawl into pure leisure, carries real costs to meaning, community, and health; how continued, self-directed work changes both the math and the meaning of your plan; why your worth is never your net worth ; and how to design your next chapter deliberately. It’s a conversation that bridges the financial and non-financial sides of retirement, looks at retirement and purpose, and gives you a fresh way to think about what comes next. John Coleman joins us from Atlanta. ________________________ Bio John Coleman is the author of Good Money: Six Steps to Building a Financial Life with Purpose and The HBR Guide to Crafting Your Purpose . He is Co-CEO of Sovereign’s Capital . He has prior professional experience at McKinsey Company, Invesco, and Bridgewater Associates, among others. He’s active in his community, with current or prior experience on the boards of Teneo, the Heritage Foundation, Berry College, the DeKalb County School System, the Georgia Student Finance Commission, the Georgia Charter Schools Association, and the Georgia Independent College Association. He’s been recognized as a Term Member at the Council on Foreign Relations, a Presidential Leadership Scholar, and as one of both Georgia Trend’s and the Atlanta Business Chronicle’s “40 Under 40.” A frequent contributor to Harvard Business Review, John and his work has been featured in Forbes, the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Financial Times, and the LA Times among other publications. He’s previously published Passion & Purpose and How to Argue Like Jesus. John is an MBA graduate with High Distinction from the Harvard Business School, where he was Class Day Speaker and a Dean’s Award Winner for leadership and service. And he’s an MPA graduate of the Harvard Kennedy School, where he was a George Fellow and a Zuckerman Fellow. John lives in Atlanta with his wife Jackie, their four young children. _______________________ For More on John Coleman Good Money: Six Steps to Building a Financial Life with Purpose _______________________ Retirement Podcast Conversations You’ll Also Love How to Flourish…in Retirement – Daniel Coyle Mattering…in Retirement – Jennifer Breheny Wallace The Good Life – Marc Schulz, PhD How to Live a Meaningful Life – Dave Evans ______________________ Wise Quotes On Retirement “In general, I’m opposed to the idea of retirement…People are made for meaning, they’re made to deploy their talents in productive ways…The frame I encourage people to take is that they’re saving, not so that they have enough that they can withdraw from the world, but saving so that they have the buffer to engage the world in the way that they want to at the pace that they want to.” On Money “Breaking the hold that money has on us, making sure it’s a tool, not a totem, is one of the very first mindsets that people need to adopt…Money isn’t intrinsically good. Money is good only in so much as you use it for things that build flourishing in your lives and the lives of others.” On Identity “Too often we fall into making our identity the things that are easiest to measure rather than things that are most important.” On Purpose “I believe purpose is a thing that’s built, not found. It’s crafted, it’s not found.” __________________________ About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time. About Retirement Wisdom I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident. Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms. About Your Podcast Host Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking. Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University. In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy .

A retirement is a terrible thing to waste. Don’t just retire. Design your new phase of life – with intention. Our next groups start in September. The very early registration discount ends June 21st. Learn more . ________________________ Retirement rarely unfolds exactly as planned. For Jerry Goodstein, retirement began with a clear sense of direction and a meaningful endeavor. But unexpected challenges, a deeply emotional experience helping his daughter move across the country, and an encounter with the world of ADHD coaching changed everything. In this conversation, Jerry shares how his retirement story became less about executing a blueprint and more about learning how to “turn into the swerve” by staying open to reinvention, purpose, lifelong learning, and becoming someone new later in life. This is a thoughtful conversation about identity, letting go, service, and the surprising ways purpose can evolve, over time and in ways you may not expect, after retirement. In This Conversation, You’ll Learn Why God laughs at your retirement plans How unexpected “swerves” can open new directions in life The opportunities to repurpose your skills in retirement Why letting go of identity is often difficult for high achievers How lifelong learning can reignite energy, curiosity and engagement What coaching taught Jerry about listening and presence Why service became more important than living a life of leisure ___________________________ Bio Jerry Goodstein is Professor Emeritus, Carson College of Business, Department of Management, Information Systems, and Entrepreneurship at Washington State University. Dr. Goodstein received his Ph.D. in Business Administration from the University of California, Berkeley, and his MBA and BA in Economics and Geography from the University of California, Los Angeles. He conducted research and taught business ethics, leadership, and strategy at the undergraduate and graduate levels for over three decades at Washington State University and the University of Illinois. His research on restorative justice in organizations, corporate and stakeholder responsibility, and second chance hiring has been published in leading management and business ethics journals. He is co-editor, along with Dr. Mary Gentile, of Giving Voice to Values: An Innovation and Impact Agenda , published in 2021. After retiring from Washington State University in May 2020, Dr. Goodstein continued work he had begun in 2019 to bring together businesses, criminal justice partners, and community-based organizations to develop employment-based opportunities for formerly incarcerated men and women. In January 2023 Dr. Goodstein made a major retirement/life shift to become a Certified ADHD Life Coach. He founded Where You Are ADHD after completing his ADHD life coaching program in December 2023. Since then, he has been coaching youth (teens and tweens) with ADHD. Dr. Goodstein partners with public and community-based organizations, especially those working with at-risk youth, to support both youth and their families in meeting the ADHD-related challenges they are facing in their lives. __________________________ For More onn Jerry Goodstein Where You Are ADHD _________________________ Retirement Podcast Conversations You’ll Also Love The Inspired Retirement – Nathalie Martin The Best Day of My Life So Far – Benita Cooper Changing the World One Small Act at a Time – Brad Aronson ________________________ Wise Quotes On Being Open to Reality “There are just some unanticipated swerves that come up…Turn into the swerve…Don’t turn against it.” On Becoming a Beginner Again “It absolutely feels like a new beginning for me….“It’s never too late to learn. It’s never too late to evolve.” On Purpose “I don’t think of myself as retired anymore….I’ve repurposed my purpose.” _______________________ About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time. About Retirement Wisdom I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident. Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms. About Your Podcast Host Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking. Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University. In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy .

Most of us think of questions as something we ask other people. Dr. Marilee Adams has spent years showing the opposite: the most consequential questions we ask are the ones we ask ourselves. Adams, founder of the Inquiry Institute and author of the half-million-copy bestseller Change Your Questions, Change Your Life, (a new 5th edition has just been published) joins us to make us smarter about our internal questioning. She introduces us to two mindsets that live inside all of us — Judger and Learner — and the Choice Map™ that helps you notice which one is driving the bus. The conversation takes her work directly into the world of retirement, where Judger questions ( What do I regret?, What do I resent?) can quietly shape our moods, relationships, and the texture of later life. But Learner questions ( What would be meaningful next?, What does my heart want me to do?, What can I contribute? ) open up possibilities for a different future. Along the way, Adams explains the physiology underpinning the two mindsets, and a single powerful question: Who do I choose to be in this moment? that she returns to again and again. She also introduces us to the five-to-seven-second “Stop, Breathe, Be” practice that can shift your nervous system anytime (from The 5 Resets: Rewire Your Brain and Body for Less Stress and More Resilience by Aditi Nerurkar, MD). If you’re thinking about designing the non-financial side of your next chapter, or looking to enhance your life in retirement, this is an episode worth re-listening to with a notebook in hand. _________________________ For More on Marilee Adams, PhD Change Your Questions, Change Your Life, 5th Edition Take the Survey & Download The Choice Map™ The Inquiry Institute __________________________ Bio Dr. Marilee Adams is an award-winning author, executive coach, and leadership consultant whose work has shaped how leaders think, communicate, and make decisions for more than four decades. She is Founder and CEO of the Inquiry Institute, a leadership development and organizational consulting firm dedicated to building inquiry-based cultures that accelerate results and deepen engagement. Its executive coaching, training, keynotes, and eLearning programs — all grounded in Question Thinking™ — are used by Fortune 500 companies, government agencies, healthcare systems, and universities worldwide. Her book Change Your Questions, Change Your Life has sold more than half a million copies worldwide and been translated into 26 languages. Now in its 5th edition, it remains one of the most enduring frameworks for mindset shift, leadership development, and human performance — and its newest edition addresses one of the defining challenges of our moment: how to lead and think with wisdom, curiosity, and connection in an age of artificial intelligence. At the heart of Dr. Adams’ work is a deceptively simple insight: the questions we ask — of ourselves and others — shape everything. They determine the quality of our thinking, our relationships, our decisions, and our cultures. In a world increasingly mediated by technology, the human capacity for inquiry is not just a leadership skill. It’s a competitive advantage — and an essential one. Dr. Adams has coached senior leaders and advised organizations internationally and is a recognized pioneer in inquiry-based coaching and organizational transformation. She speaks and teaches worldwide, helping leaders use Question Thinking™ everywhere it matters most. __________________________ Wise Quotes On the Two Mindsets “We’re always asking ourselves questions that affect our moods, that help with our decisions, and also make a difference in whether we have a positive quality mindset or the opposite. All of us human beings have two mindsets. We always will have them — which means they are normal…The more we accept our Judger, the more acceptance and forgiveness and empathy come online. That helps you open your heart to yourself and to others.” On Questions “Typical Judger questions in later life are: How can I just fill up my time? What would keep me from being bored? What do I regret or resent about the past? Learner questions sound different: What would be meaningful and satisfying for me going forward? What does my heart want me to do next? What can I contribute? What would be fulfilling? People who are more in Learner mindset literally live longer and have better quality lives. People who are past-oriented, regretful, resentful, live not as long and not as fulfilling. On Retirement “When you think about retirement, what’s exciting is to be open to the future and not get stuck in the past. Now you’re talking about creating a future that is intentional, and fulfilling, and healing.” _________________________ Retirement Podcast Conversations You’ll Also Love The Second Fifty – Debra Whitman Thinking Better to Live Better – Dr. Woo-kyoung Ahn The Mindful Body – Ellen Langer ________________________ About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time. About Retirement Wisdom I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident. Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms. About Your Podcast Host Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking. Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University. In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy .

What’s in your backyard that you haven’t explored yet? And what if you decided to treat your own state like a foreign country? Beth Sobiloff and Marcia Rothwell, the co-hosts of Two Grannies on the Road , have set out to visit all 351 cities and towns in Massachusetts. They’re 121 towns in. Along the way, they’ve met second-act bakers, retired leaders turned magicians, mayors, alpaca farmers, and a man with the world’s largest collection of Back to the Future memorabilia. In this conversation, Beth and Marcia talk about why their world hasn’t shrunk in retirement, why trying and not liking something is still a win, how to spot the second act that’s already running quietly in the background of your own life, and what a real retirement curriculum might look like. If you’ve ever caught yourself drifting toward a smaller version of your life, this episode is a friendly nudge in the other direction. In this episode you’ll learn: How to discern a second act that’s right for you. How Beth turned an empty-nest into a 15-year creative project. Why abandoned hobbies offer clues for new pursuits. A template for novelty, social connection, and learning that costs almost nothing. Why presenting what you learn matters as much as learning it. And here’s are all 351 towns and cities in Massachusetts in minutes (by two Mass natives and one NY interloper) _______________________ For More on Beth Sobiloff & Marcia Rothman Two Grannies on the Road – You Tube Website ________________________ Wise Quotes On Experimenting “If you try something and you don’t like it, it’s not a failure. It’s okay. You eliminated one of the things you don’t like as much.” On the Curricuulm for Retirement “Go out, experience something, then come back and present it. That’s the curriculum.” On Inspiring Others “If you have a relative or a friend who is staying at home and not getting out, make an effort to help them do that.” __________________________ Retirement Podcast Conversations You May Also Love Make Your Next Years Your Best Years – Harry Agress, MD Grandmapreneur – Connie Inukai Grace in Motion – Susan Hartzler __________________________ About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time. About Retirement Wisdom I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident. Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms. About Your Podcast Host Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking. Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University. In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy .