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A song doesn't exist in physical form. So what actually is it? That's a question my guest this episode, music publisher Benjamin Groff, once got asked point-blank by a tech CEO — and it changed how he thinks about his entire industry. Benjamin built Kobalt's first U.S. office from the ground up, has signed artists like Ryan Tedder, Tiësto, and Kid Cudi, and now runs his own boutique publishing company, Brill Building, which just landed its first Billboard Hot 100 #1 with Beyoncé's "Break My Soul." In this episode, we get into: ➡️ How Benjamin finds emerging artists years before anyone else notices them ➡️ Why data and virality metrics can't replace real taste and curation ➡️ What 100+ years of "new technology is going to ruin everything" panics — player pianos, drum machines, Napster, now AI — actually teach us ➡️ Why 85% of success comes down to identity and mindset, not raw skill ➡️ The Tony Robbins framework for why "good" work barely gets you anywhere anymore If you've ever wondered whether AI is coming for your creative career, this conversation will change how you think about it. 🎧 Listen now 🔗 Learn more about Benjamin's coaching at benjamingroff.com/coaching The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/551
"You're not going to be replaced by an AI; you're going to be replaced by someone using AI." But there's a layer above that too: what happens when AI is using AI? In this episode of Marketing Speak, I welcomed back serial entrepreneur David Henzel, of MaxCDN, LTVPlus, and now Context Engine, to talk about what it actually looks like to run an "AI-first" company from the inside. This isn't a theory. David's businesses have already cut ten-person QA teams down to two doing a better job, and he walks through exactly how. What we got into: ➡️ Why middle management may be the first real casualty of the AI shift ➡️ How to build a "company brain" that keeps every decision, call, and conversation in one place ➡️ Why David refuses to rely on just one AI vendor, and what that protects you from ➡️ What it really means to go "AI-first" instead of just "AI-enabled" ➡️ How documenting your business could make it more valuable if you ever sell it ➡️ David's free offer: a Context Engine workshop and a year's license for three lucky listeners If you've been wondering how to actually operationalize AI in your business instead of just using it as a faster search bar, this conversation will give you a real blueprint. The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/550 .
Sustainable growth doesn't come from chasing attention. It comes from becoming something people can't help but talk about. My guest on today's show is Scott Martin , founder of Groundswell Origins and author of Groundswell: The Unseen Wave of Business Growth. He has spent over twenty-five years building brands as an agency owner and strategist for national companies. He now hosts the Groundswell Origins podcast, where he digs into how businesses create growth that feeds itself. In our conversation, we explore what it takes to build a brand people remark on rather than one they simply scroll past. Scott shares his shift away from selling customers and toward giving them something worth sharing. He explains why meaning matters more than attention when it comes to earning trust, and why founders often already know their best direction if they learn to trust their gut instead of copying competitors. Scott also breaks down his idea of brand coherence: the belief that a brand only builds real trust when its culture and its message actually line up. Word of mouth remains one of the most durable ways to grow. When you learn to build meaning instead of chasing more eyeballs, you create something people want to pass along themselves. So without any further ado, on with the show! The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/549
The things that used to work just stopped working. If that sounds familiar, you are not alone. In this episode of Marketing Speak, I sat down with Nick Musica, a longtime SEO veteran turned executive coach, to talk about what happens when the habits and go-to moves that built your career suddenly lose their power in the AI era. What we got into: ➡️ Why the patterns that got you here will not get you where you want to go next ➡️ The real difference between giving yourself a job and building a company ➡️ Why dabbling in self-employment is a trap, and what to do instead ➡️ How adaptation, not any single hard skill, is your best protection against disruption ➡️ Why AI may not make us more intelligent, and how to keep your humanity intact ➡️ The soft skills, resonance, and intuition that become more valuable as the tools level the playing field If you are feeling stuck between what worked before and what comes next, this conversation is for you. The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/548 .
AI is reshaping podcasting faster than most creators can keep up with, and not all of it is good news. In this episode of Marketing Speak, I welcomed back Rob Walch, longtime podcasting veteran and now part of the team at Captivate, to talk through what AI actually means for creators, what still matters after fifteen years of change, and whether it is too late to start a show at all. What we got into: ➡️ The difference between AI tools that genuinely help you and the flood of AI slop dragging CPMs down for everyone ➡️ Why disclosure is now a legal and ethical must when you use AI voices or scripts ➡️ How to read your Apple Podcasts Connect data and rearrange episodes around what listeners actually consume ➡️ Why audio-first is still the smartest starting point, and what you really need to compete ➡️ How the strongest podcasters use their show to build authority and win clients rather than chase ad dollars ➡️ Why word of mouth still favors human-made content in an AI world If you have ever wondered where podcasting is headed, this conversation will help you plan your next move. The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/547
Why do so many great companies get bought, then deliberately ruined in the name of profit? That mystery is what drove Eric Ries, author of the mega-bestseller The Lean Startup, to write his new book, Incorruptible. Eric has spent 15 years helping founders build companies, and he has watched the best of the industry alongside its dark side: beloved brands acquired and gutted, founders pushed out of companies that still bear their names. In this episode, he unpacks why it keeps happening, and what a rare set of enduring companies do differently. In this Marketing Speak episode, Eric breaks down: ✅ Why learning, not technology, is still the real rate-limiting step in the AI era ✅ Why you can't outsource the hard cognitive work, no matter how good the tools get ✅ The two traits that Costco, Patagonia, Vanguard, and Rolex share despite having nothing else in common ✅ Ethos and integrity: how to give your mission a guardian that outlasts shareholder pressure ✅ Why it's always too early to protect your company's mission, until suddenly it's too late Whether you're starting something new or trying to keep what you've built from being hollowed out, Eric's blueprint for an incorruptible company is worth your time. Tune in! The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/546
Your LinkedIn inbox is full of spam. So is everyone else's. And the old outreach playbook is the reason why. Jason Osborn has spent eight years helping companies generate leads on LinkedIn, and he noticed something: the more people leaned on automation and pitch-first messaging, the worse their results got. So he flipped the entire model. In this episode of Marketing Speak, Jason walks through the LinkedIn Reverse Podcast Method — a strategy that uses a podcast not for thought leadership, but to interview your ideal prospects, build genuine relationships, and convert conversations into clients without ever making a pitch. What we unpacked together: ➡️ Why the LinkedIn Reverse Podcast Method works when everything else feels spammy ➡️How the coffeehouse analogy explains the entire relationship-first sales process ➡️The live intro and outro technique that seeds your offer without a hard pitch ➡️Why content on LinkedIn is secondary — and direct outreach always comes first ➡️The one thing that separates people who succeed from those who keep jumping to the next shiny object: consistency If your LinkedIn outreach is not working, or you have been thinking about starting a podcast as a lead generation tool, this episode will give you a completely different way to think about both. 🎧 Listen now!
AI is forming judgments about your brand right now. Most organizations have no system to manage it. Every earnings call you publish, every case study your vendor posts, every complaint about your return process, AI is reading all of it and building a case for or against recommending your brand to buyers. And the most damaging narratives are often ones brands unknowingly wrote themselves. In this episode of Marketing Speak, I sat down with Jessica Bowman, enterprise AI visibility strategist and founder of Coxwell & Gain, who has spent her career pioneering the operational side of AI visibility for Fortune 500 brands. This is not a conversation about keywords or rankings. It is about whether AI will recommend your brand at all. What we unpacked together: ➡️ Why AI visibility is not a marketing function, it is an operational one ➡️ How earnings calls and vendor case studies can become liabilities in AI narratives ➡️ What a real AI visibility audit looks like and which teams need to be involved ➡️ Why changes to AI narratives take 18 to 24 months, and why you need to start now ➡️ The real cost of AI visibility tools, and why they run two to three times the price of SEO tools If you have ever wondered whether AI is working for or against your brand, this episode will sharpen how you think about it. 🎧 Listen now
Most marketers are obsessed with reach. Jay Acunzo thinks that's the wrong game entirely. In this episode of Marketing Speak, I sat down with Jay Acunzo, keynote speaker, author of Break the Wheel, and host of How Stories Happen, who built a thriving speaking business from scratch, lost it all in five days when the pandemic hit, and came back with a sharper mission: helping experts stop being commodities and start being irreplaceable. Jay shares: Why resonance beats reach every time, and how to build a business where clients come because they want you, not just someone who looks like you The 'That's the thing about' device, a single phrase that turns a good story into one that actually inspires action Align, Agitate, Assert, Invite, the four-part story structure that moves your audience from where they are to where you want them to be Why your competitive edge will never come from a $20/month AI subscription, and what to do instead The two things every great interviewer must master to capture real, specific, powerful stories from guests If you have something genuinely worth saying and want to say it in a way that actually lands, this episode is your blueprint. Listen now!
Stop pitching from the stage. Start storytelling. Majeed Mogharreban shares how he engineers speeches so audiences imagine working with him—and hate imagining a future without him. Watch this @mktg_speak episode
The businesses that thrive won't be the ones that let AI replace human creativity. They'll be the ones who use AI to amplify it. That distinction is everything — and it's at the heart of how we operate at Net Concepts. I've been in the SEO game for 30 years. I co-authored The Art of SEO (now in its 4th edition). And I can tell you that what we're living through with AI is one of the most significant shifts I've seen in my entire career. But with great power comes great responsibility — and most people are wielding this power recklessly. In this solo episode of Marketing Speak, I'm sharing: ✅ The 3 real risks of AI-generated content most agencies ignore ✅ Our 5 core principles for using AI responsibly and authentically ✅ The 8 specific rules we follow at Netconcepts The full client questionnaire that sets expectations from day one This isn't theory. This is the framework we use every day with purpose-driven brands that can't afford to get this wrong. Your integrity isn't a line item. Don't let AI compromise it. Tune in now! The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/541 .
The most important marketing question isn't "What works?" According to Billy Broas, it's "What are human beings?" Sounds philosophical? It is—and that's exactly the point. On Marketing Speak, Billy (creator of the Five Light Bulbs framework and marketing strategist for Tiago Forte, Ryan Deiss, and major science-focused companies) makes the case for argument-driven marketing over psychology-driven marketing. His manifesto challenges the industry norm: Stop treating people like lab rats to be hacked. Start making defensible arguments to intelligent human beings. The practical impact? ✓ Teams align around one clear message (no more conflicting arguments across departments) ✓ Content has purpose (every piece advances the sale as a proof point) ✓ Marketing creates "re-enchanted transactions" that build loyalty ✓ You avoid the ethical quicksand of manipulation tactics Billy walks us through his complete framework, plus how to use syllogisms with ChatGPT to audit your marketing logic and identify where your claims don't connect. This is marketing that works better in the long term AND has a stronger ethical foundation. Listen now! 🎧 The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/540 .
🚀 What if you could fix technical SEO issues with the push of a button? I just interviewed Patrick Stox, Product Advisor at Ahrefs, who's revolutionizing how we approach SEO in the AI era. Patrick shared how Ahrefs built edge SEO technology directly into their site audit tool—allowing users to automatically fix canonical tags, redirects, and internal links without ever touching their CMS. But here's what really caught my attention: Patrick revealed that 5 of Ahrefs' top 6 performing posts last year were data studies. Why? Because AI search systems are prioritizing original research and comparison content over traditional blog posts. Key insights from our conversation: ✅ How to optimize content for AI chunking (not just keywords) ✅ Why micro-influencers (your employees) matter more than brand accounts ✅ The redirect automation script that saves hours of manual work ✅ Why subdomain vs. subfolder debates miss the real issue (internal linking) If you're still optimizing for 2020's SEO, you're already behind. Listen to this episode of Marketing Speak to discover how Patrick is helping companies scale their SEO across the entire internet, not just their own websites. The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/539 .
Growth doesn't slow because expertise disappears. It slows when trust erodes. In this episode of Marketing Speak, I sat down with Dov Gordon, founder of JV Grow, who has spent 15 years building a tightly curated community for established entrepreneurs who grow through joint ventures that actually work. Dov shares why broad messaging like "get more clients consistently" no longer works, and what narrowly focused messages build trust faster in today's skeptical marketplace. If you're an intermediate or advanced marketer using joint ventures to grow, this episode reveals the partnership strategies that work when audiences are overwhelmed, and trust is hard to earn. The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/538 .
🚨 ChatGPT updates twice as fast as Google. Are you tracking the right metrics? Former Bing Webmaster Tools architect Duane Forrester just revealed a critical finding: Out of 50 queries tracked for one client, ChatGPT cited them ZERO times. Not mentioned, not paraphrased, not included at all. The old SEO playbook won't cut it in the AI era. In this week's Marketing Speak episode, Duane reveals the 12 new KPIs you need to track for Answer Engine Optimization (AEO)—metrics like chunk retrieval frequency, semantic density score, and vector index presence rate. Many businesses struggling with traditional SEO fundamentals are getting demolished in AI search. But there's a roadmap forward. Duane shares his custom-built tool suite (launching soon) and free frameworks to help you navigate this Wild West landscape. Listen now to discover: ✅ Why tracking millions of keywords is dead (and what to do instead) ✅ How to create your own vector index proxy ✅ The citation tracking framework that reveals your AI visibility ✅ Free 90-day learning path for implementing AI in your workflow This isn't optional anymore. ChatGPT is on track to hit 1 billion daily users in half the time it took Google. The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/537 .
In a world where ChatGPT can write 50,000 words in 5 minutes, how do you create content that actually ranks and converts? In this week's Marketing Speak episode, I reveal my framework for the AI era—and it's not what you'd expect. Instead of fighting AI with more tactics, I advocate for plugging into "Universal Intelligence" for truly original insights, writing for the "linkerati" and not just your audience or search engines, creating curiosity gaps that make influencers unable to resist linking, and coordinating cross-channel campaigns that leverage social for SEO gains. I also explain why citation analysis—the origin of link-based algorithms—is becoming MORE crucial as Google's AI detects unnatural patterns across EVERYTHING, not just links, but correlation between on-page optimization and linking behavior. If your content isn't remarkable enough to be "worthy of remark," quantity is irrelevant. Gert Mellak joins me for this masterclass in intentional marketing strategy for empowered leaders who refuse to get lost in the AI noise. Tune in! The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/536 .
Is SEO dead in the age of AI? Not even close. Google's AI overviews are literally making up statistics, citing fake sources, and providing dangerous medical advice. People are actively searching "how to turn off AI overviews" because they can't trust the results. I had an incredible conversation with Samantha Riley on her podcast Influence By Design, where we broke down why SEO is more critical than ever. While Google Ads stop working the moment you stop paying, SEO builds an actual ASSET. An asset that appears on your balance sheet. An asset that generates traffic for months or years, even if you take time off. We covered: ✅ The difference between "visitor authority" and "algorithmic authority." ✅ Why your "Testimonials" page should be a "Results" page instead. ✅ How to seed interviews to earn 5+ backlinks instead of just one. ✅ The trick questions to ask so you never get snookered by a bad SEO hire. If you're building on rented land (social media only), this episode is your wake-up call. Listen now! The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/535 .
🔬 What happens when you analyze leaked search engine source code and build an SEO tool from it? You discover the entire industry has been optimizing wrong for years. Ryan Jones (Head of SEO at Razorfish) joined me on Marketing Speak to share what he learned from the Yandex and Google leaks. The truth is uncomfortable: while SEOs count keywords and stack H2 tags, search engines are plotting documents in vector space using machine learning. Here's what actually matters in 2025: 📊 Complete topic relevance (not single keyword optimization) 🎯 Semantic similarity scores using cosine distance 🤖 BERT-extracted keywords from current top-rankers 📱 Intent matching using ML models (not keyword pattern matching) 🔗 Third-party consensus for knowledge panels 📄 Research papers that still accurately describe how AI search works Ryan built SERPrecon to measure content the way search engines actually measure it. The tool uses Yandex's exact-title-tag scoring logic. It applies Passage BERT to predict AI Overview citations. It extracts entities and keywords using the same open-source algorithms Google uses. Ryan reverse-engineers which phrases AI Overviews will cite based on Google's patent, then writes content incorporating those exact phrases. Result? He consistently "steals" citations from competitors. This isn't theoretical. This is production-level SEO based on actual source code. The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/534 .
What does a Rabbi know about selling jewelry online? Turns out, everything. Pinny Gniwisch made one of the most unusual career transitions: from leading a congregation to building ice.com into a $75M e-commerce success story. In our latest Marketing Speak episode, Pinny shares: Why influencer culture burns out (from someone who interviewed a 600K-follower influencer) How to use AI without losing your competitive edge (hint: your gut still matters more) The difference between traditional advertising and digital marketing (and why it matters) How Kabbalah principles apply to everyday business decisions This episode is packed with wisdom that bridges ancient spiritual principles with modern marketing metrics. Listen now! The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/533 .
From family gig work to a national acquisition in 30 years. 🚀 Keith McMaster started helping his police officer dad serve legal papers as a side hustle. Three decades later, his company, Firefly Legal, was acquired as part of a major industry consolidation involving 6+ companies. When Keith volunteered to hot-seat his "old and dated" website during one of Jay Abraham's courses, he got brutally honest feedback. Instead of being defensive, he leaned in and completely transformed his digital presence. The results: ✅ Website became a 24/7 automated marketing funnel ✅ Went from invisible to top of search rankings in key markets ✅ Scaled operations without proportional staff increases ✅ Built a business so efficient and scalable that acquirers came knocking In this Marketing Speak case study episode, Keith and I break down the exact SEO strategy, content approach, and technical optimizations that transformed a family business into an acquisition target. Listen now to learn how to build your website into an automatic sales tool that works while you sleep! 🎧 The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/532 .
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